Metrolinx: Flexity Freedom Light Rail Vehicle Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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  1. W. K. Lis

    W. K. Lis Senior Member

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    Since we already have a New TTC Streetcar thread, and Toronto streetcars and light rail vehicles are different vehicles entirely, this thread should help to differentiate between the two.


    From the TTC website at this link:



    From the latest TTC commissioner meeting, the status report on LRT Projects in Toronto has this bit of news:

    Please note that this is a different mock-up from the streetcar mock-up that was displayed back in November of 2011.
     
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    Hang on ... the TTC already calls the replacement downtown streetcars "light rail vehicles" - along with the old 1970s/1980s ones - see their website http://lrv.ttc.ca/

    This thread should be named something different if it's to discuss the Transit City/Metrolinx streetcars (light rail vehicles) - or we're just going to get confusion.
     
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    Marketting classes will be comparing the TTC messaging in the past half decade to the "New Coke" commercials of yesteryear.
     
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    So the LRTs have doors on both sides and the new streetcars have doors on one side and they still have to loop. And will the Queen and Spadina Streetcars be that long as shown to take many more passengers...
     
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    I don't think that Transit City vehicles need a thread separate from the general Transit City thread.

    Unless I hear serious disagreement, I'm going to merge the threads.
     
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    I see nothing wrong for having a thread for the new Metrolinx LRVs, distinct from the Transit City thread (which if it is still around, should be renamed.

    Though I've got a big problem with this thread title, which is as confusing as heck, given TTC are calling their new downtown streetcars TTC Light Rail Vehicles. Surely this thread should be called New Metrolinx Light Rail Vehicles ... or TTC suburban Light Rail Vehicles, to differentiate from the TTC Light Rail Vehicles.

    At the same time, perhaps we should be renaming the New Light Rail Vehicle (LRV) Maintenance & Storage Facility thread, which is about the Ashbridges Bay Light Rail Vehicle (LRV) Maintenance and Storage Facility, but not the other 3 LRV Maintenance & Storage Facilities (Black Creek aka Kodak, Conlins, or Jane-Finch).

    At the same time, it would be nice if mods could move the Sheppard subway, Eglinton monorail, etc., discussion out the the 4 threads for the 4 active LRT and put them in appropriate threads, so that there can be discussion threads for each of the active projects, without having to rehash ancient history again and again.
     
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    This thread needs a new name

    I think nfitz is right. This thread is already confused.

    drum118's post should be in the New TTC Streetcars thread?
     
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    Fair enough. Keeping the two separate threads should help to show that the TC light rail vehicles are NOT to be confused with the new streetcars for mixed-traffic use downtown.
     
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    Why do all the renders show only lone cars instead of the 2-car trains that will actually be operated?

    If they wanted an easy way to distinguish these from the downtown cars, it would be this.
     
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    It used to be standard practice for the TTC to run shorter Subway trains after 6 PM and weekends. The Gloucester trains went from 8 short cars to 6 cars, while the newer trains went from 6 long cars to 4 cars.

    I can see the TTC running shorter two or one car trains in the off peaks, if the numbers warrant it to be so.

    It used to be that the Bloor PCC streetcars (followed by the Queen PCC streetcars after the Bloor-Danforth Subway opened) ran in 2 PCC car trains during the rush hours. The trains were replaced by the articulated streetcars. but without the couplers.

    So what was done with the Subway trains and PCC streetcars could be done with the Transit City Light Rail Vehicles.
     
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    Those are the Transit City light rail vehicle mockups of the Bombardier Flexity Freedom. They will not be used or designed for the downtown streetcars. We saw the streetcar mockups last November. The real streetcar prototypes are coming later this year. The Transit City light rail vehicles will be wider than our current and the new streetcars.

    Mockups are model examples. They cannot roll along under their own power, because they can't.

    Prototypes will actually run on the tracks, in real weather, and real traffic.
     
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    ^^
    I forgot we had a separate TC-LRT thread... Well, it is in the right thread now, so your post is kind of redundant.
     
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    This gets me every time. Why did we have to go for low floor LRTs if we did not have any plans to use the legacy streetcar system? Look at how narrow the passageway is between the seats which has to do with the fact that the trucks are positioned underneath. The movement of passengers inside the vehicle will be terrible and the conditions will be cramped. Frankly, the section above the trucks shown in that picture is about as claustrophobic as the rear of an Orion VII bus. Had we gone for a high floor LRV like you see in Edmonton and Calgary - and along the urban, narrow streets of San Francisco - we would not have this problem.
     
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