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Puritan Toronto won't die easily.Thats honestly a suprising number of people opposed. I thought it was basically unanimous
Puritan Toronto won't die easily.Thats honestly a suprising number of people opposed. I thought it was basically unanimous
I was looking at the Star article about this and there was a comment that I think sums up the opposition: "why don't they just go to their friends' backyards instead?" And I don't think it was poorly intentioned, but it shows how a subset of people in Toronto don't realise how many people don't have backyards, or maybe even know people with backyards. Like how many 20-(or at this point 30-)somethings in this city are going to have friends who have backyards? People who are in a situation where they have their own outdoor space don't get that for people without their own outdoor space, parks are that space. They just assume this is people wanting to behave irresponsibly, not that this is the only option to be outside with friends for many people in the city (without paying insane prices on a patio).Thats honestly a suprising number of people opposed. I thought it was basically unanimous
Another thing to remember: not everyone drinks, or at least internalizes "liquid pleasure" as a must-have. And they might still view the issue through the prism of having witnessed bums with liquor bottles on the subway, etc.I was looking at the Star article about this and there was a comment that I think sums up the opposition: "why don't they just go to their friends' backyards instead?" And I don't think it was poorly intentioned, but it shows how a subset of people in Toronto don't realise how many people don't have backyards, or maybe even know people with backyards. Like how many 20-(or at this point 30-)somethings in this city are going to have friends who have backyards? People who are in a situation where they have their own outdoor space don't get that for people without their own outdoor space, parks are that space. They just assume this is people wanting to behave irresponsibly, not that this is the only option to be outside with friends for many people in the city (without paying insane prices on a patio).
My money is on that 30% thinking this will lead to more homeless encampments or some ridiculous BS like that.I'm not sure the 30% of people who are opposed are thinking of youngish professionals with toddlers having a beer with their friends (and kids/dogs) when they think of drinking being allowed in parks.
My money is on that 30% thinking this will lead to more homeless encampments or some ridiculous BS like that.
The Alcohol in Parks pilot is back for discussion with a report to the next meeting of Economic and Community Development Ctte.
In so many words, it turns out this trial did not cause the City to burn to the ground, so its not such a bad idea after all.
However, in typical Toronto fashion, the bureaucrats have muddled the policy response.
Instead of essentially legalizing alcohol in all parks, with restrictions in place, as appropriate; they've gone the opposite way.
They will make the 27 pilot parks permanent; they seek delegated authority to add additional parks, to the legal side of the ledger, to ensure at least one park per ward has legal drinking.......
Give me a break! You know, I don't think I've consumed alcohol in a park in more than 30 years (maybe as a teen, watching fireworks on Victoria Day). I'm in no rush to go out and do it again....... but why must we default to cumbersome
rules instead of defaulting to, "its fine if you behave responsibly."
Some of us may want to look at this and complete the survey.
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