G-20 Summit in Toronto

[nfitz]

Here is another video - the best that I have seen yet - providing proof positive that Police used undercover cops dressed in "black block" garb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYnzVxXF6lI

Near the end of the video you will see a man in a black hoodie and black pants marching backwards. He is flanked by other cops who are also marching backwards. There can be no doubt that this black block "demonstrator" is in fact a cop.

Even if true ... so what? The police have already admitted that they did have at least one officer undercover with some of the violent terrorist groups who did damage on Saturday ... and said it was part of the reason of their effective take down at U of T Sunday morning.

There's a different between police doing their jobs, and infiltrating terrorist organizations, and running them.

 

[poppajojo]

A detailed inquiry should and must still be carried out, however, obviously.

Well, I guess that's something all sides of the argument want... the public wants an independent inquiry!!! Get to it!!!!

 

[Peepers]

Could you give a time stamp... I simply cannot see what you are seeing in this video. How do you know this was a cop. How do you know he was acting as an agent provocoteur. How can you discern anything about this person based on, what, 5 seconds of web video.

A lot of people, cops, protesters, black bloc were moving into the background of the shot both forwards and backwards.

Starting at about 20 seconds at the right of the screen you can see a man in a black hoodie and black pants marching backwards. He is part of a line of uniformed cops who are also marching backwards as they re-group (looks almost choreographed). There can be no doubt that he is infact an undercover cop and he is dressed exactly like many of the "black bloc" protesters captured on video vanadlizing the city. Where in my post did I say he was an "agent provocoteur"? That requires more proof. But for now we can safely say that police used undercover cops disquised as black bloc protersters. There can be no doubt about this!

 

[Peepers]

Even if true ... so what? The police have already admitted that they did have at least one officer undercover with some of the violent terrorist groups who did damage on Saturday ... and said it was part of the reason of their effective take down at U of T Sunday morning.

So what?

There is a HUGE difference between having undercover cops in street clothes AND undercover cops disguised as black bloc demonstrators!

No one should be surprised to learn that there were cops in street clothes blending into the crowds. Everyone should be surprised to learn that there were cops disguised as black bloc demonstrators.

 

[Darwinkgo]

So what?

There is a HUGE difference between having undercover cops in street clothes AND undercover cops disguised as black bloc demonstrators!

No one should be surprised to learn that there were cops in street clothes blending into the crowds. Everyone should be surprised to learn that there were cops disguised as black bloc demonstrators.

Why? Would police not wear motor cycle gang colours while infiltrating a motor cycle gang? I don't see infiltrating an anarchist group as any different.

 

[Peepers]

Why? Would police not wear motor cycle gang colours while infiltrating a motor cycle gang? I don't see infiltrating an anarchist group as any different.

No doubt this will be the excuse that the cops will use when they finally have to own up to this fact. It begs the question how many of the black bloc protesters were undercover cops and how many were real anarchists? In the videos capturing the rampages many of the black bloc vandals appear to have gone to the same outfitter. They are wearing the same type of boots (new!). Same type of high end backpacks as they hurled bricks and chairs through store windows. How do we know that these are not undercover cops?

This would also explain why the uniformed cops turned a blind eye to the vandalous rampages. They didn't want to be in the awkward position of arresting fellow officers.

 

[Redroom Studios]

come on dude. let it go and get a life. it's over and done. move on, step away from the computer and go outside and enjoy a beautiful Canada Day! Life is way too short to dwell on some imagined wrong doing by those charged with protecting the masses!

 

[nfitz]

No one should be surprised to learn that there were cops in street clothes blending into the crowds. Everyone should be surprised to learn that there were cops disguised as black bloc demonstrators.

Why? I'd be disappointed if the police hadn't have infiltrated these terrorist groups. Do we complain when police infiltrate criminal biker groups?

 

[buildup]

No doubt this will be the excuse that the cops will use when they finally have to own up to this fact. It begs the question how many of the black bloc protesters were undercover cops and how many were real anarchists? In the videos capturing the rampages many of the black bloc vandals appear to have gone to the same outfitter. They are wearing the same type of boots (new!). Same type of high end backpacks as they hurled bricks and chairs through store windows. How do we know that these are not undercover cops?

This would also explain why the uniformed cops turned a blind eye to the vandalous rampages. They didn't want to be in the awkward position of arresting fellow officers.

Your 'logic' is interesting. You pose leading questions, but then presume to answer them. Can you attach a link to these images of "high-end" boots and backpacks with bricks. By "high-end" do you mean newish looking? Since the Black Bloc all wanted to look alike, why wouldn't they have used their parent's allowances to buy or shoplift gear? G20's dont happen every day, everyone's stuff might have been new.

 

[Coltaine79]

come on dude. let it go and get a life. it's over and done. move on, step away from the computer and go outside and enjoy a beautiful Canada Day! Life is way too short to dwell on some imagined wrong doing by those charged with protecting the masses!

Yeah, like the "imagined wrong" perpetuated on this TTC worker. He deserved it, because he works for the TTC and he's Chinese - probably what goes through the minds of you and your co-believers.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tor...830858--ttc-worker-caught-in-g20-police-sweep

36 hours? Please! people like buildup, Redroom, Asterix and picard are no doubt jealous that he got to stay 36 hours in such a high-class, Hotel-like detention facility. This poor immigrant should be thanking his stars he got to stay in such classy accomodations on the taxpayer's dime.

 

[Hipster Duck]

Most "material trappings" are attributable to the profit motive (the willingness of your employer to pay your salary to earn himself a profit), the rule of law which creates a stable environment where he/she can run a business, and property rights to protect what you own.

What motive does an employer have to fork over more of their share of the profit? Where do proerty rights come from to protect you? These things were born out of protest movements.

Excessive protesting disrupts all these things - so its all about balance.

That's true in this context, but it's not something that can be generalized. There were many protests in world history that were violent and disruptive, but what was won at the end of the day was quite significant: the Stonewall riots in New York city involved overturned police cars and beatings but, in the end, it paved the way for the decriminalization of a way of life. The Sharpeville massacre in South Africa resulted in scores of dead, but it turned world opinion against apartheid South Africa and was the beginning of the end of the regime, so to speak. Violence will sometimes be a necessary part of a protest movement.

 

[GenerationW]

Violence will sometimes be a necessary part of a protest movement.

And those upper-middle class white 'Black Bloc' kids with too much free time on their hands who were spurred on by their hippie parents and/or hippie college professors -- what great and necessary societal advancement will come from their violent rampage?

 

[Second_in_pie]

I think we've established that their little jaunt on Saturday was stupid and pointless. If there was a deeper motivation than burning stuff for shits and giggles, would it still be as quickly and utterly condemned?

 

[Hipster Duck]

double post.

 

[Hipster Duck]

^Exactly.

Black block running around burning cars and smashing stores for the sake of being a nuisance = criminal thugs

Iranian students running around burning cars and smashing stores because an election was stolen and civil rights curtailed = legitimate protest.

Also:

And those upper-middle class white 'Black Bloc' kids with too much free time on their hands who were spurred on by their hippie parents and/or hippie college professors

This is a sweeping generalization that sounds petty and very Glenn Beckish.