Earlscourt_Lad
Active Member
Good point Nfitz, at grade streetcars in traffic with appropriate turn prohibitions could work well on Dufferin, and could be implemented at a much more affordable rate than tunneled LRT or one with a separate ROW.
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
They can start with putting streetcar tracks from Dundas Street to join with the existing tracks south of Queen Street. Then the 522 Dundas Exhibition streetcars can replace the 193 Exhibiton from Dundas West Station to the Dufferin Gates, via Dundas and Dufferin. After the new LFLRV's arrive of course, since there is a shortage of streetcars.
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Automation Gallery
Superstar
As it stands now Dufferin street have streetcar tracks south from Queen St.to the Dufferin Gates/Springhurst Ave,thus giving the Queen or King streetcars access south to the loop or future Lakeshore or Exibithion LRT lines.
They might just built a separate ROW from the EX/Lakeshore to Queen Street.One day Queen Street may get a subway and this area could very well be a hub to an underground LRT station connecting the Lakefront.There could also be a possibility in the future that they can integrade a Queen St/Parkdale rail station for a future electrified city line.
Anyways eliminating the jog is great news for south Parkdale residents that have seen an increase in traffic congestion throughout the last couple of years.
They might just built a separate ROW from the EX/Lakeshore to Queen Street.One day Queen Street may get a subway and this area could very well be a hub to an underground LRT station connecting the Lakefront.There could also be a possibility in the future that they can integrade a Queen St/Parkdale rail station for a future electrified city line.
Anyways eliminating the jog is great news for south Parkdale residents that have seen an increase in traffic congestion throughout the last couple of years.
Towered
Senior Member
A streetcar on the surface on Dufferin would be nice, but given how notoriously slow and inefficient other TTC streetcar routes in mixed traffic are, they can hardly be trusted to handle such a thing properly. Besides, their policy is to no longer construct any more streetcar lines in mixed traffic anyway. And given Dufferin's high ridership, it deserves better service in the form of LRT, which means tunneling.
Automation Gallery
Superstar
There is also a city plan for the extension of Dufferin Street to Lake Shore Boulevard West.
http://www.explace.on.ca/Concept Plan Pages 17-23.pdf
http://www.explace.on.ca/Concept Plan Pages 17-23.pdf
Automation Gallery
Superstar
Eighteen Lost Years
Waterfront West LRT Plans
A bit outdated but intresting.
http://stevemunro.ca/?p=265
Waterfront West LRT Plans
A bit outdated but intresting.
http://stevemunro.ca/?p=265
Earlscourt_Lad
Active Member
True the TTC currently says they won't build that anymore, and you're right services levels would dictate something meatier. However, if it's a choice between bus and streetcar, I'd vote for a standard streetcar line. It does, at the very least, show a committment to upgrading the route, and with approproate traffic control/priority, might function better than a bus. Also, it would strike me that a mixed traffic line could be built for far less than a tunnelled LRT. I haven't any numbers to back that supposition up, but I suppose I just like the idea.
That being said, I seem to recall the ridership for the Dufferin bus was higher than the Sheppard subway (does anyone know?), in which case an argument for some form of upgrade can be made sensibly.
nfitz
Superstar
The Dufferin bus had 43,600 daily riders in 2007 while the Shepherd subway had 45,860.
However, the subway line is only about 5.5 km long compared to about 13.5 km for the bus route. So while the total ridership is similiar, the bus ridership at any particular location is lower.
However, the subway line is only about 5.5 km long compared to about 13.5 km for the bus route. So while the total ridership is similiar, the bus ridership at any particular location is lower.
catcher_of_cats
Active Member
There is particularly high volume between Dufferin Station and Dufferin Mall (a few minutes walking time) which inflates the Dufferin ridership numbers.
scrappyTO
Active Member
It looked like there were pile-drivers (or something like that) working on site yesterday; same goes for today.
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
The city will be spending $5,061K on eliminating the Dufferin Street jog in 2009, according to the 2009-2018 Capital Program for Transportation Services.
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unimaginative2
Senior Member
I tend to agree, though the TTC's present policy is pretty firm that they aren't going to build any more mixed-traffic streetcars. I think the reliability issues with the mixed-traffic streetcars have to do much more with route management than with traffic, as Steve Munro has ably demonstrated.
drum118
Superstar
Looks like major work will get underway in May for the first 5 track overpass bridge. Once done, current 3 lines will be move there to put the remaining overpass in to the south.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
I'll bet archaeologists will be shifting through the debris looking for "junk" that could now be "treasure".
drum118
Superstar
For What??
This area was a swamp before the rail road came along and that is why the Jog exist then and now.