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The Jamaican Information Service (JIS) which is sort of like Statistics Canada, was doing an exposé on the subject a number of years ago (late 1990s/early 2000s). It's probably gone up in numbers since but I trust that's a fair assessment. Many thousands more are probabaly still closeted, ex-gay or have long migrated to North America/England.
 
From this morning's New York Times:

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February 24, 2008
Attacks Show Easygoing Jamaica Is Dire Place for Gays

By MARC LACEY

MANDEVILLE, Jamaica — One night last month, Andre and some friends were finishing dinner when a mob showed up at the front gate. Yelling antigay slurs and waving machetes, sticks and knives, 15 to 20 men kicked in the front door of the home he and his friends had rented and set upon them.

“I thought I was dead,†Andre, 20, a student, recounted in a faint voice, still scared enough that he was in hiding and did not want his full name to be used.

The mob pummeled him senseless. His right hand, the one he used to shield himself from the blows, is now covered with bandages. His skull has deep cut marks and his ear was sliced in half, horizontally. Doctors managed to sew it back together and he can hear out of it again.

Being gay in Jamaica is not easy. For years, human rights groups have denounced the harassment, beating and even killing of gays here, to little avail. No official statistic has been compiled on the number of attacks. But a recent string of especially violent, high-profile assaults has brought fresh condemnation to an island otherwise known as an easygoing tourist haven.

“One time may be an isolated incident,†said Rebecca Schleifer, a researcher for Human Rights Watch who has studied the issue and regularly gets calls from the island from gays under attack. “When they happen on a repeated basis across the country, it is an urgent problem that deserves attention at the highest levels.â€

Disapproval of gays is an entrenched part of island life, rooted, Jamaicans say, in the country’s Christian tradition. The Bible condemns homosexuality, they say. But critics say islanders are selective in the verses they cite, and the rage at gay sex contrasts sharply with Jamaicans’ embrace of casual sex among heterosexuals, which is considered part of the Caribbean way.

While some other Caribbean tourist destinations have made a point of marketing to gay travelers, Jamaica has notably not joined the trend.

The double standard on the island is reflected in the antigay lyrics of Jamaican dance hall music, the headlines of more hyperventilating tabloids — “homo†is the term most often used — and the fact that homosexuality remains illegal here, with the specific crime called “buggery.â€

No place has shown that hostility recently more than Mandeville, a prosperous and quiet town in the South Coast area that rarely makes big news.

A couple of weeks back, a local tabloid, The Jamaica Star, ran a screaming headline when a local police officer, disturbed by the attack on the dinner party guests, decided to disclose his sexual orientation to the paper. He said he had been harassed regularly by his colleagues because he is gay. He said the police did not take violence against gays seriously.

“Jamaica’s motto is ‘Out of Many, One People,’ and I say, ‘What about us?’ †said the police officer, Michael Hayden.

Mr. Hayden, who has since taken leave from the force, is in hiding out of fear that his colleagues might kill him.

Not even funerals are safe for gays. A year ago, just down the road from the disrupted dinner party, a gay businessman’s funeral was interrupted by a mob that gathered outside the church. The mob, outraged that effeminate mourners wearing tight pants and shirts had dared to show up, threw bottles and rocks through the church’s windows, then barged inside and ordered that the service be stopped.

The pastor, who had not known the dead man was gay, pressed on, furious at the protesters for what he considered a defiling of his church. “The same religion they use to justify these attacks, I use to show what they do is wrong,†said the pastor, the Rev. Amos Campbell, of True Vine True Holiness Church.

No one was prosecuted in the episode.

The country’s public defender, Earl Witter, later condemned the violence at the funeral, but he also reinforced the common view that if only gays would be less flamboyant, there would be less violence against them. Speaking to the Mandeville Rotary Club last April, he urged Jamaica’s gays to avoid flaunting their sexual orientation. “Hold your corners,†he said in the local vernacular, because “it may provoke a violent breach of the peace.â€

As it is, Jamaica’s gays socialize at underground nightclubs and worship at secret church services that move around the island. The leading gay rights organization, Jamaica Forum for Lesbians, All-Sexuals and Gays, must lie low even as it pushes for societal change.

Gareth Henry, a former leader of the group, fled to Canada last month, saying he had grown tired of being threatened. “Here, I’m no longer living in fear,†he said in a telephone interview from Toronto. “I’m finally able to be myself, to be an out gay man.â€

The commander of the Mandeville police station, Inspector Claude Smith, while making clear that his religious beliefs firmly oppose homosexuality, rejected the notion that the police condone violence against gays. Enforcement of the law against homosexuality, he said, should be up to the police, not angry mobs.

In an interview, he recalled protecting a gay man who was chased through the streets of Mandeville about 15 years ago for wearing lipstick and carrying a purse. He predicted that the climate would not change for gays any time soon.

“Based on the response of these mobs, people get very angry when they come across them,†he said. “I don’t think they can survive in the open.â€

The issue, though, is certainly out in the open. Last November, The Gleaner, the largest daily newspaper here, published an article saying that some of the island’s schools were using a home economics textbook that suggested same-sex unions were a type of family. Andrew Holness, the new education minister, swiftly pulled the book from circulation.

“We are reviewing all our books to ensure that they adhere to the moral view of society,†he told reporters.

Last April, the local news media reported that gays had protested outside the offices of the Western Mirror, a Montego Bay newspaper, after it published an article that said gays were responsible for a shortage of women’s underwear in the city.

Then there was the recent attack in Mandeville, which is still under investigation, with no arrests. Next to Andre, huddled in a corner during the attack, was his boyfriend, 22, who goes by the nickname Junior. Deep machete slashes run up and down the arm he held in the air to protect himself. His head was also battered, though he escaped a more vicious beating by running through the mob waving a kitchen knife.

Two other men at the dinner got away, but the fate of one guest remains unknown. He had fled into the yard before the attackers broke in and has not been heard from since. The police found blood at the mouth of a deep hole nearby; they suspect he may have been attacked in the yard, then fallen to his death.

Since the attack, Andre said, he has been trying to undo his gayness, following a common view here that it is an acquired behavior that can be dropped if only one prays more and pays more attention to the opposite sex.

He fled Mandeville after the attack and found refuge at the home of a pastor, who now delivers at-home sermons to him on how he must change.

With the pastor standing over him, Andre said he would try to be attracted to women, if only so he would never be beaten again. But he mentions another option, as well: leaving Jamaica.

The pastor says he has a son who is gay and has been unable to turn him around. But he is intent on converting Andre.

“Instead of cutting him, people should be counseling him,†said the astor, who declined to be identified out of fear that his family might be attacked for protecting a gay man. “He needs to get over this demonic thing.â€
 
DENTROBATE54

But remember Jamaica's a third world country with still a ways to go, like the learning curve of 1980s America. Even at Caribana two years ago a DJ before playing a homophobic tune made the remark "This a not Pride Parade," to which a group of young women next to me screamed in elation.

So what if it is third world? The oppressed should know better than to inflict upon others what they themselves suffers. It has nothing to do with learning curve and all to do with cultural biases. Perhaps they would do well following the example of South Africa instead.

AoD
 
DENTROBATE54

So what if it is third world? The oppressed should know better than to inflict upon others what they themselves suffers. It has nothing to do with learning curve and all to do with cultural biases. Perhaps they would do well following the example of South Africa instead.

AoD

Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. This is a very sensitive topic issue for me because both my parents are Jamaican-born (myself am second generation Jamaican-Canadian). While I readily admit Jamaica's overtly homophobic, in all the seven years I spent there I haven't known of a substantiated hate crime that can be linked to being gay. Alot of taunting and name-calling yes, but this outsider perception that every gay in Jamaica is getting lynched and burned at the stake is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.

Mandeville, the city singled out in that article is located on the south coast. There people tend to be more conservative than at the north coast tourist towns where it's common knowledge gay escorts cruise the hotel strips and clubs in Montego Bay and Negril for ONS.

The predominance of god-fearing religious sects (Jamaica has more churches per square kilometre than any other nation) makes something as trivial as a man wearing tight pants a visible indication of effeminity and promiscuous behaviour. I agree it's not right but it's a societal belief that the nation's prosperity is contingent on strict, inflexible adhesion to 'morality' and 'righteousness'.

Initiatives like a world city (Toronto) emphasing a link between homosexuality and Caribbean culture might in due time change mindsets. God, even America still bans gay marriage, so lets not glance over our own shortcomings while persecuting an impoverished people clinging to their faith for salvation.
 
From the Star:

Gay Jamaican officer seeks asylum
'My life is in great, great jeopardy' in a country where violence against homosexuals is pervasive

Feb 25, 2008 04:30 AM
DANA FLAVELLE
Staff Reporter

A Jamaican police officer says he's living in fear after coming out as a gay man and hopes to come to Canada where he can safely speak up on behalf of other gay Jamaicans.

Michael Hayden, who has been on the police force for four years, said other officers routinely attacked and abused him after becoming suspicious of his sexual preferences.

But after speaking out publicly about the problem in The Jamaica Star newspaper this month, the 24-year-old Hayden said he began receiving death threats.

"I want to stay here and fight," Hayden said in a telephone interview from Jamaica yesterday. "But it's not safe for me. My life is in great, great jeopardy."

Human rights groups say Hayden's case is the latest in a series of disturbing anti-gay incidents in the Caribbean tourist destination.

The Jamaican police force declined to comment on Hayden's situation. Sodomy is a criminal offence in Jamaica, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years.

"We have no comment at this time," Karl Angell, a spokesperson for the Jamaican Constabulary Police Force, said in a telephone interview from Jamaica yesterday.

Hayden is not the first gay Jamaican to seek asylum out of fear for his life, said Rebecca Schleifer, a researcher with Human Rights Watch in New York and author of Hated to Death, a report on gay bashing and its impact on the fight against HIV/AIDS in Jamaica.

Jamaica lost a key leader in the HIV/AIDS battle, she said, when gay activist Gareth Henry fled the country last month and sought refugee status in Canada. Henry had been co-chair of the Jamaican Forum for Lesbians and Gays and also a volunteer with Jamaican AIDS Support for Life.

Henry, 30, told the Star yesterday that he started thinking about leaving Jamaica after being beaten by police a year ago on Feb. 14 in a drugstore in Kingston, Jamaica. He says police deny beating him.

He said he's lost 13 gay friends since 2004, yet police refuse to acknowledge there's a problem, often blaming the dead victim's lover or other gay men.

"The situation for gays and lesbians in Jamaica is getting worse," Henry said in a telephone interview in Toronto, where he's now living.

Henry said he feels for Hayden. "He's unsafe. They're hunting him daily. It's one of those very sad cases. For him coming out, he didn't want to be another person who died before he got to tell his story."

Hayden is now on a leave of absence from his job and is in hiding while his allegations against his fellow officers are being investigated.

Violence against men who have sex with men, ranging from verbal harassment to beatings, armed attacks, and murder, is pervasive in Jamaica, according to Schleifer's report for Human Rights Watch.

The church denounces gay sex, popular music reinforces prejudices against gays and lesbians and police do little to stop violence against them, she noted.

AoD
 
DENTROBATE54:

While I readily admit Jamaica's overtly homophobic, in all the seven years I spent there I haven't known of a substantiated hate crime that can be linked to being gay. Alot of taunting and name-calling yes, but this outsider perception that every gay in Jamaica is getting lynched and burned at the stake is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.

Let me substitute being gay to being black - violent hate crimes aren't that common here in Canada either, but we won't be so ready to dismiss the problem even if it's mostly taunting and name-calling. Hyperbole in the media aside, a culture that tactily allow, if not actively encourage such discrimination IS the problem, isn't it?

God, even America still bans gay marriage, so lets not glance over our own shortcomings while persecuting an impoverished people clinging to their faith for salvation.

I can't speak for the US except to note that they are rather behind on these issues, but the important thing is that we at the very least acknowledge our shortcomings, and for better or worse tries to deal with it. Clinging to faith for salvation does not give a carte blanche for discriminatory activities.

AoD
 
God, even America still bans gay marriage, so lets not glance over our own shortcomings while persecuting an impoverished people clinging to their faith for salvation.
But we're not America and perhaps faith is the poison, not the salvation?

One of my earliest and most poignant memory of homophobia was in Jamaica as a 12 year old with my parents. We were on a bus tour and had made a pit spot for some food when our tour guide had apparently spotted two men kissing in their parked car in the same lot. He grabbed his walking stick and ran to the car before any of us knew what he was going on about. He started screaming and started to bash the car window with his walking stick. The car took-off, but he spent the rest of the tour telling our bus how he'll kill them if he sees them again. This was 1987, so most of the people on the bus just laughed along wtih him. I'd like to say things are better in Jamaica now, but I don't think they are. What I witnessed above hanuted me for many years.

I have a few gay friends in the Jamaican-Canadian community and they all refuse to go back to Jamaica and even in Canada they are either completely on the down-low or have left Greater Toronto for somewhere else in Canada so as their family will never find out that they are gay.
 
God, even America still bans gay marriage, so lets not glance over our own shortcomings while persecuting an impoverished people clinging to their faith for salvation.

Why start a sentence with "god"?

This is Canada, we share the North American continent.
I'll assume by 'america' you mean the USA? This is Canada, not the USA, we have freedoms and rights allowing gay people the right to marry and share the same rights and responsibilities as other, non gay people...This isn't true in the US, they're a bit behind the times.

Just curious why you would state such a thing, when we're in a country that does allow gay marriage?

Also, why are those who rely heavily on the church for guidance, the most hateful and bigoted when it comes to homosexuality, but not adultry?
 
Let me substitute being gay to being black - violent hate crimes aren't that common here in Canada either, but we won't be so ready to dismiss the problem even if it's mostly taunting and name-calling. Hyperbole in the media aside, a culture that tactily allow, if not actively encourage such discrimination IS the problem, isn't it?

Hey, you're preaching to the choir man. I personally have no problems with being gay, my catch 22 is an exaggeration of what really goes on beyond the tourist villages that white visitors don't see. About the black analogy, yes it wouldn't be tolerated in Canadian society but there are socio-historical reasons behind this mentality in Jamaica. Effeminity is a sign of weakness so any form, gays AND women to a large extent, are objectified over being given the same footing as heterosexual men.

Doesn't this at all sound familiar to what's happened in the US? Jamaica just got its independence in 1962 and giving the legacy of slavery they have a societal xenophobia towards outside influences and 'perversions'. Sadly they believe homosexuality's one of them. You wouldn't go to Biloxi, Mississippi and expect to see two men frenching on a park bench would you? Well take it that all of Jamaica lacks the urban centres where multiple cultural groups gather, hence lacking pro-tolerance.

I can't speak for the US except to note that they are rather behind on these issues, but the important thing is that we at the very least acknowledge our shortcomings, and for better or worse tries to deal with it. Clinging to faith for salvation does not give a carte blanche for discriminatory activities.

I agree but it's not like Jamaica's the only country doing this. Alot of the Arab world and parts of Africa have even stricter anti-gay laws that condone televised beheadings of gays. States in general that susbstitute secularism for theocracy take god-fearing and devotion to another level that most Western mindsets wouldn't grasp. For Jamaica the change will come eventually but not if bullied into doing so out of threat of losing toursit dollars, as I've heard before.

But we're not America and perhaps faith is the poison, not the salvation?
I have a few gay friends in the Jamaican-Canadian community and they all refuse to go back to Jamaica and even in Canada they are either completely on the down-low or have left Greater Toronto for somewhere else in Canada so as their family will never find out that they are gay.

Fanaticism is a problem, I agree. It's very tragic what you witnessed. The stigma around being gay in Jamaica is understandably strong as you always have to eyes in the back of your neck. I knew a few gay teens from when I was staying there. In public they had to act like they were celibate (not interested in sex at all). Sometimes their peers singled them out but they'd joke it off. They'd tell me they feel like aliens from another planet. There were instances they relaxed though, holding hands and stuff. The point is they hid in plain sight, not being flamboyant and hence not a marked target. For me, when I heard of stonings and stake-burnings it almost sounded like an urban legand, and I was living there. For some people the chance to leave Jamaica, not because of gay-bashing, but rather economic oppurtunity, creates the convenient window with which to hyperbolize. Heck, even straight Jamaicans said they'd play the 'wife' role to get sponsored here (Canada actively prohibits Jamaican immigration nowadays thinking we're all criminal spawn :rolleyes:).
 
Why start a sentence with "god"?

For emphasis.

This is Canada, we share the North American continent.
I'll assume by 'america' you mean the USA? This is Canada, not the USA, we have freedoms and rights allowing gay people the right to marry and share the same rights and responsibilities as other, non gay people...This isn't true in the US, they're a bit behind the times. Just curious why you would state such a thing, when we're in a country that does allow gay marriage?

As recenting as 2003 gays in this country (that's right O Canada) were not afforded the same legal rights as heterosexual couples. Even since Harper's election he's tried to veto and re-outlaw gay marriage. These are near current events, just showing that if a world leader nation like Canada's just getting there, what should make us think an impovershed microcosm like Jamaica's gonna get there any time soon? The world and progress doesn't run on daylight saving time.

Also, why are those who rely heavily on the church for guidance, the most hateful and bigoted when it comes to homosexuality, but not adultry?

Cultural machismo. Effeminate men threaten the status men in general have to culturally exploit women. Sad reality but not unlike most societies of the past.
 
For emphasis.

It's as meaningless as 'dog'....your point is moot.

As recenting as 2003 gays in this country (that's right O Canada) were not afforded the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

5 years AGO has nothing to do with today, your poor attempt at deflecting the question, and avoinding an answer, is humerous, to say the least.

Even since Harper's election he's tried to veto and re-outlaw gay marriage.

...and the people won't let him...what's your point?

The world and progress doesn't run on daylight saving time.

the sky is blue....are you still trying to make a point about something?

Cultural machismo. Effeminate men threaten the status men in general have to culturally exploit women. Sad reality but not unlike most societies of the past.

You 'general sweeping statements', that have no basis in reality, are not only a sad display of YOUR character, but they make me laugh as well. Bravo!

(Canada actively prohibits Jamaican immigration nowadays thinking we're all criminal spawn ).

...when the statistics fit! ;)
 
Initiatives like a world city (Toronto) emphasing a link between homosexuality and Caribbean culture might in due time change mindsets. God, even America still bans gay marriage, so lets not glance over our own shortcomings while persecuting an impoverished people clinging to their faith for salvation.

There are two unfortunate, even sad, aspects to your argument: 1. It is so disturbing that those who have experienced persecution go on to persecute others and seem not to have learned much from their experience,i.e., tolerance and compassion, especially among "god-fearing"folk. 2. It is impossible to comment on this unfortunate behaviour because you get labelled as a persecutor. You cannot even have a dialogue because of this kind of thing and that's scary.
 
The JCC and its communities

That's overstating things rather dramatically, isn't it? South of St. Clair Toronto has no kosher restaurants (save a Financial District snack bar), no kosher butchers, not more than a handful of full-time synagogues (from hundreds), a lone Jewish day school (from dozens), no stores that sell Jewish religious scriptures (from a dozen or so), and so forth.

That's not by accident. Sure, there are Jews all over the city. Koreans, Italians, Persians, too. But these and most other ethnic groups have areas of the city where their settlement patterns are more intense, their communal institutions more numerous, the commerces catering to their particular needs more plentiful, and so forth.

Acknowledging that isn't stereotyping. It's basic urban geography.



This seems a bit disingenuous, too. The reason why philanthropists -- who do not themselves live downtown -- funded the renovation of the Bloor JCC certainly does have much to do with history and that building's historic presence. The fundraising campaign was all about revival and outreach. The building's programming and use continues to involve much use by groups outside the Jewish community.

Those are all good things. But it's quite fair to say that Bathurst-Centre, say, is in a thick zone of Toronto's Jewish life today in a way that Bloor-Spadina once was, and now isn't. It's unfair to smear someone pointing that out as engaging in "stereotyping" or detached from "real life". If anything, it seems to me far less "real life" to announce that Toronto's Jewish community is no more clustered in, say, Thornhill-Vaughan than "all over downtown". This description (from here) seems a fairer statement to me:

It's hard to know where to start because I did not jump all over anyone or smear anyone. I just don't think you recognize how things have developed in the Jewish community in Toronto. It's not primarily an Orthodox community downtown so you won't find the Kosher and Judaica facilities. Then again Eglinton and Bathurst/Lawrence are not far and it's easy to get what you need from there. This is not a suburban community either. It's of a different kind and worth studying and getting to know.

The Narayver on Brunswick in the Annex is an independent egalitarian synagogue with several hundred member families primarily from downtown and a closed membership list because despite an addition to their building, they cannot accommodate more members. The Narayver fills the JCC gymnasiums at High Holiday time, yet another use of the facility.

The Harbord bakery nearby makes some of the best Jewish style pastries in the city. At holiday time you line up out the door to get challahs and honey cakes.

The Danforth shtibel is a quasi-traditional group with a growing membership serving the Riverdale community.

I attend Shir Libeynu an egalitarian congregation led by a brilliant woman who is also a lesbian mum. There are at least 300-400 people at High Holiday services at the Cecil St. Coummunity Centre. The congregation meets monthly at the JCC. Membership is growing and service frequency along with it.

One of my close friends is a gay Dad who lives downtown and whose two young sons, whose care he shares with a lesbian couple, attend the Day School at the JCC. Another close friend and his wife live in Riverdale and their children attend the Jewish Sunday school at the JCC.

There is a thriving Jewish community downtown for whom the JCC is an important support facility. It's that simple. It's not the suburban Jewish community, but it is a sizable community with somewhat different demographics and priorities. You can't use the traditional measures to examine and understand it. It's different but complex and interesting in its own way.
 
Looking at it again, tonite...what's the fcuking problem with JCC?!? It's a perfectly fine urban building, and brings life to the intersection. The only "problem" is that it isn't "great architecture"--but why should it be? Maybe it's, in George Baird's terms, "first-rate second-rate"; and that's perfectly fine.

And to bring things back to thread topic, I find JCC more architecturally/urbanistically satisfying than the styrofoamy-precast condo aesthetic of Mosaic...
 
Mosaic isn't stellar but I don't think it is that bad. I do think the "bunker" next door is horrid however. I hope the people who bought the south facing condos knew they were getting a view of a concrete wall.

Oh yeah and the falafel place in the Bloor JCC IS good.. I agree!
 

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