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The aircraft shown with the article is a B737, which is significantly larger and more powerful than a Q400, so the weather issue must have been relatively significant.
Sorry, that was a bit snippy.Geez, snippy. I can't say that I read the Spectator on a regular basis.
For those who would argue against the island airport....
2) Tell me why your definition of a world class city does not include a downtown airport. I have been to many world class cities and quite a few have airports right downtown. Guess what I saw in London, England. Q400's landing at London City, and airport which defines noise abatement standards globally. And London is a way more riverfront oriented, environmentally friendly city that Toronto could ever be. You want something to protest against, you should see Reagan National. A few miles from the Pentagon and they are flying in A320s and B737 with approaches that are an arm's length away from hotels in Arlington. Having flown an approach at the city centre airport, I can tell you that the noise abatement restrictions are probably way too strict. They even modify their patterns to accommodate the islanders.
One last thing: Porter is incredibly well managed and will get to the point where it will operate 20 planes. There is a maximum number of movements that can happen on the Island Airport currently. But that maximum number has increased over the years. I will make this prediction....if/when Porter expands to 20 planes, the number of movements allowed will contunue increase over time. I wouldn't surprise me in the least if we get to the point where one day there could be a flight every minute or two.
According to Google Earth, from One Canada Square (not the eastern most Canary Wharf tower) to the end of runway 10/28 is 4.4km (2.6km to the Millennium Dome). LCY is so close to that district and the number of high-end firms so substantial that BA are launching a service to JFK using Airbus A318s with short field modifications and 32 seats. (Westbound there will be a stop at Shannon to clear US Customs)The London City Airport is 13KM away from the downtown London core.
The London City Airport is 13KM away from the downtown London core. So, this is not an adequate comparison. Heck, Pearson is 18KM from Toronto's downtown core! If it were proposed that a commercial airline such as Porter operate within 500 meteres to 1KM of Hyde Park for example, I think many in London would consider that crazy. That is what we have in Toronto! And let's take another city like Chicago. We all know what they did with their waterfront airstrip don't we? And anyone who has ever been to Chicago's waterfront who has just a tiny bit of objectivity will know that their waterfront is about 100 times better than Toronto's. When Porter expands to 20 planes, it will be 200 times better!
I do live on Toronto's harbourfront and think that the idea of Porter operating there is crazy. I will be moving out of the area though so I am not saying this because I live here. I believe that Toronto's waterfront should be place for all those folks that can't afford a cottage (or even their own primary residence for that matter.) The waterfront should be a place for those people to go to on a sunny weekend day to get some peace and solitude and escape the hustle and bustle of the big city. You know....the same reason that wealthier folks buy cottages in Muskoka and other places. There are lots of places we can put an airport but let's not spoil the waterfront with one.
Again, I am currently a resident of the harbourfront but I am planning to move away shortly. As a current resident, my view is that my immediate neighbourhood (i.e. the central waterfront) does not belong to the residents of the waterfront or the Island community. It belongs to the residents of Toronto as a whole. And we should listen to their concerns if any, not the concerns of residents of the harbourfront or Toronto Islands. And I make this prediction (which many of you will disagree with): If you could actually simulate what it will be like on the Toronto waterfront with 20+ Poter planes operating out of the Island Airport so that all Torontonians could see what it would be like and then we had a vote by those same Torontonians as to whether the Island Airport should exist (along with Porter) more than half would vote against it.
One last thing: Porter is incredibly well managed and will get to the point where it will operate 20 planes. There is a maximum number of movements that can happen on the Island Airport currently. But that maximum number has increased over the years. I will make this prediction....if/when Porter expands to 20 planes, the number of movements allowed will contunue increase over time. I wouldn't surprise me in the least if we get to the point where one day there could be a flight every minute or two.
I Will Support Closing Down The Airport, When I Have Seen Some Real Waterfront Development In Terms Of Public Spaces And When I See The Island Residents Get The Boot. They Have Hit The Jackpot Using Public Lands. To Me, They Are Real The Predators Of The Toronto Islands.
If You Ask The Residents Of Toronto, Most Would Support The Airport. Somehow, The Only People I Hear Complaining Are The Handful Of Nimbys Who Live Right Near The Airport. I Haven't Heard Of Someone From Scarborough, Or Etobicoke Or North York Campaigning Against The Airport.
???? The tourist core perhaps - it's quite close to where all the skyscrapers are; 12 minutes to Poplar - and there is also direct service on the DLR to the City - 22 minutes to Bank.The London City Airport is 13KM away from the downtown London core.
???? The tourist core perhaps - it's quite close to where all the skyscrapers are; 12 minutes to Poplar - and there is also direct service on the DLR to the City - 22 minutes to Bank.
According to Google Earth, from One Canada Square (not the eastern most Canary Wharf tower) to the end of runway 10/28 is 4.4km (2.6km to the Millennium Dome). LCY is so close to that district and the number of high-end firms so substantial that BA are launching a service to JFK using Airbus A318s with short field modifications and 32 seats. (Westbound there will be a stop at Shannon to clear US Customs)
I agree with most of what you've said, but here you're just plain wrong. Our waterfront is vibrant and full of life, from Bay to Bathurst at least. There is plenty of public space between the "wall of condos" and the water, and it is well used by residents and visitors alike. Go fight the crowds down there on a weekend and see if you still think it's not full of life.A city's waterfront should be vibrant and filled with life. Instead we have built a wall of condos that provides waterfront views for a few, and nothing for the rest of the public.
I'll start believing their case, when waterfront residents stop flying completely to any destination served by Porter. Since you don't like Porter, you can't possibly justify taking Air Canada/Westjet, driving/cabbing to Pearson, sitting in a jet on the ramp for 20 mins, and then using at least 20 per cent more fuel to get to your destination. It boggles the mind, that when someone starts up the most environmentally friendly airline in the country, uses aircraft built in Toronto, hires staff in Toronto, and exclusively serves the residents and city of Toronto, that some ingrates would try and stab them in the back.
I'm a bit late to the party here, but I just wanted to add my first experience of this noise from the airport.
I was at the Harbourfront Centre just last Saturday and all of a sudden we heard this very loud noise coming from the lake. It was dark out so we couldn't see anything, but it was very loud.
After a few minutes of the noise, I remembered hearing about complaints regarding the airport. I realized these sounds were coming from the airport. It basically lasted upwards of 5 or 6 minutes before quieting down, then coming back for another few minutes.