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andrewpmk said:
I see a double standard here. The Yonge extension will have reasonable ridership but won't be absurdly busy except for the Finch to Steeles section. My guess is the Sheppard subway extension would be similar except for the busy Don Mills to Victoria Park section. It doesn't mean we should arbitrarily put subway on Yonge and LRT with an annoying transfer on Sheppard.
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Victoria Park won't be anywhere near as busy as Steeles. Furthermore, extending Sheppard to VicPark will make the situation so much worse if the Relief Line is eventually extended to Sheppard. A rider coming from Sheppard East would need to transfer from the SELRT to the Sheppard Subway and again to the Relief Line. It makes no sense.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Its just that your point makes no sense. Sheppard is not at all comparable to Yonge. Since when did Sheppard have a continuous stream of busses brining passengers to one of its terminals (hint: never)
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There is a pretty steady stream of overcrowded buses going to Don Mills station in rush hour. On Sheppard between Don Mills and Victoria Park, there is 85, 190, 24A, 167, 169, and 224. A number of those routes only go to the Consumers Road area and then turn off to go somewhere else.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Its just that your point makes no sense. Sheppard is not at all comparable to Yonge. Since when did Sheppard have a continuous stream of busses brining passengers to one of its terminals (hint: never)
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TheTigerMaster said:
Victoria Park won't be anywhere near as busy as Steeles. Furthermore, extending Sheppard to VicPark will make the situation so much worse if the Relief Line is eventually extended to Sheppard. A rider coming from Sheppard East would need to transfer from the SELRT to the Sheppard Subway and again to the Relief Line. It makes no sense.
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andrewpmk said:
There is a pretty steady stream of overcrowded buses going to Don Mills station in rush hour. On Sheppard between Don Mills and Victoria Park, there is 85, 190, 24A, 167, 169, and 224. A number of those routes only go to the Consumers Road area and then turn off to go somewhere else.
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I tried that andrew. it didn't work.

Also Andrew, if the SELRT is built it still will be just one transfer to the DRL if it goes that far north.
 
The whole point of extending the Sheppard subway to Victoria Park is to permanently kill the terrible proposal that is the Sheppard light rail. If you extend the subway to Victoria Park ridership will go up enough that it is no longer as much of a ghost town outside rush hour, then it will be politically easier to extend it further east.
 
Finch has 36, 39, 42, 53, 60,97, 125, 199, 308, 309, and 320.

For GO it has:

67, 96, 19, 27, 34.

For YRT it has:

VIVA Pink, VIVA Blue, 2, 91, 98, 99, 77, 23, 88, 5, 300, 302, 302, 303, 304, and 760.

added routes when the subway will be extended will be:

YRT: 83, 87, 86, 1, and 3. These are just buses that currently intersect Yonge or go to Richmond Hill terminal, 85, and 16 (16th avenue) as well as a couple others will probably be rerouted to end at the subway as well.

GO: 51, 52, 54, 40



Added Routes For Sheppard will be:

24, 68, 17, 43, 57, 21

So in Total, Sheppard will have 13 bus routes from Don Mills to STC, if you count VIVA Green.

Yonge will have 40 from Finch to RHC, and that is being conservative presuming no routing changes are made to direct more buses to RHC than currently, which will likely happen.
 
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You completely ignored the large number of bus routes at STC (both TTC and GO) which the Sheppard subway would serve if extended there.

Also a lot of the YRT routes that connect to Yonge Street have very low ridership, and some like the 30x routes would probably be cancelled if the Yonge subway is extended. None of the GO routes are particularly busy. The vast majority of TTC routes that would connect to the Sheppard subway extension have high ridership.
 
Majority of those riders would use the Scarborough subway, unlike RHC where they would all use the Yonge line. STC is a bus terminal for Scarborough, not Sheppard.

We went over the "high ridership" TTC routes. They are relatively empty at Sheppard.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Yet you support the yonge extension.
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You're comparing me supporting the Yonge extension to you supporting a Sheppard extension to here?

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andrewpmk said:
The whole point of extending the Sheppard subway to Victoria Park is to permanently kill the terrible proposal that is the Sheppard light rail. If you extend the subway to Victoria Park ridership will go up enough that it is no longer as much of a ghost town outside rush hour, then it will be politically easier to extend it further east.
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So why do you hate light rail on sheppard so much? Would you have supported it sheppard didn't exist?
 
Transportfan said:
You're comparing me supporting the Yonge extension to you supporting a Sheppard extension to here?

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And who said I supported sheppard? You still look like a hypocrite and we don't use pictures to build subways otherwise Yonge should stop at sheppard. and Bloor should be from Jane to Victoria Park.
andrewpmk said:
You completely ignored the large number of bus routes at STC (both TTC and GO) which the Sheppard subway would serve if extended there.

Also a lot of the YRT routes that connect to Yonge Street have very low ridership, and some like the 30x routes would probably be cancelled if the Yonge subway is extended. None of the GO routes are particularly busy. The vast majority of TTC routes that would connect to the Sheppard subway extension have high ridership.
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All those people are going downtown. They will use bloor. More people in Scarborough work downtown then at NYCC.
 
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Is that a picture of Sheppard around Morningside or something? Because no one has ever proposed to put the subway that far east. What I would expect to see is very demand west of Victoria Park (overwhelms LRT) but low demand around Morningside (can easily be accommodated by buses).
 
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