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2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion
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adma
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Actually, TC-R didn't exist provincially in 1995 (that came when the Harris Tories made federal and provincial ridings the same). Leach won in St George-St David--and in a 3-way squeaker, despite Rosedale's favourable presence.
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
Truly sad how you are still haunted by the Mike Harris ghost from 20 years ago. You are one of those people who need to stop living in the past and you are a big reason why we can't move forward!
christiesplits
Senior Member
I've predicted for quite some time an increase in Conservative voters in Downtown Toronto, both provincial and federal. Consider the influx of young suburbanites downtown, and a growing cluster of professionals in the condo corridors. These aren't the urbane, granola crunchers who elected the likes of Dan Heap three decades ago. The newer residents work in tech or financial services and hold some conservative sensibilities.
Downtown Vancouver, for instance, has surprisingly high CPC support.
Downtown Vancouver, for instance, has surprisingly high CPC support.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
These people are not social conservatives. ^^^
They sort of pay a ton of taxes already and are not really fans of 'yeah I should pay more taxes for the greater good type'
They sort of pay a ton of taxes already and are not really fans of 'yeah I should pay more taxes for the greater good type'
Bayer
Senior Member
Moving forward is desirable - but it cannot be done with conservatives. While I generally support the NDP, the Liberals are implementing traditionally left-wing policies with which I entirely agree and which they could have simply promised to implement in the hope of being reelected, and so I am inclined to support them in the next election despite their mistakes. Policy is all I care about; the hostility towards Wynne has become some of kind irrational bandwagon many people mindlessly hop onto. Many who support the Conservatives are concerned with the debt and government spending; but with the deficit very low or eliminated and spending among the lowest per capita in the country - and considering the Conservatives rather poor track record in this particular area - their solutions would be the opposite of what we need.
And what we need, in my opinion, is to increase taxes to invest in health care, including long-term care (where Ontario's offer is considerably inferior to that of Québec). Our problem is insufficient revenue.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Allow me to nuance that: With *these* "Conservatives".
Ontario was at its most progressive and productive under the Blue Machine. That ability and foresight is lost on the present Neo-Cons who phrase and parse everything in terms of absolutes and heavy-handedness.
http://tvo.org/blog/current-affairs...d-ontario-politics-for-more-than-four-decades
Their formula? Govern from the Centre, embrace progressive ideas, and treat the electorate with respect. I find it the height of hypocrisy that some of the present 'Conservatives' have no sense of history or proportion on matters of governance.
This is not a defence of Wynne, just to point out that *by default* she remains a viable option in light of how the other choices are even less appealing.
It might behoove the Neo-Cons well to refer to the history of the Ontario PC Party, instead of ranting from the Trump Fake Song Book.
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
Then try the NDP for 4 years. We have to give someone else a try and I am willing to see what Horwath could do as a Premier. I also think that the Liberals should have been given a chance to govern during that dominant reign by the Conservatives.
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Juan_Lennon416
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Calm down or you will be reported. No need for the over-the-top posts
Bayer
Senior Member
I am open to the possibility. Over the past few years, they have been rather timid in their proposals; suggesting a mini-pharmacare plan covering only 150 medications is an example. There is no need for the NDP to rush to the right during an election campaign in the hope of winning votes, and I hope they will not repeat that mistake next year. Right now, I am not sure what they can suggest to win my vote other than good long-term care proposals or OHIP coverage of dental care. Wynne-bashing isn't going to work for me.
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Lots of people are OPEN to voting NDP, many of us have done so in the past. The problem now is that the current NDP seem to be unclear of what they intend to do (or they want to do stupid things because 'that's what lefties do'); the right(er) wing of the Tories is quite scary and Brown simply says whatever he thinks will get him elected this week. The Liberals certainly have their failings (let me count their ways!) but they are certainly better than the Tories and probably better than the NDP. Lots to think about before June!
adma
Superstar
Actually, because this is Ontario and Toronto, it should be amended to read "Trump/Ford Fake Song Book."
Which is really part of the current PC dilemma in Toronto relative to the Big Blue Machine of yore; their power base being oxygen-hogged by one form or another of least-denominator Ford-archipelago populism...
Hopkins123
Senior Member
What the Conservatives even did that was so unforgivable baffles the mind. Tory, Hudak, Brown... how many generations of leaders later is the party still going to be punished, meanwhile the Liberals get away with their schemes and crimes? It's like some people cannot see the forest for the trees. Change in government can be a good thing.
narduch
Senior Member
I still predict that the sale of Hydro One will be the new 407 Sale, but with far worse consequences.
I know that the NDP and Conservatives aren't planning much for transit, but I actually think the Liberals have been underwhelming. We make fun of Del Duca photo ops for a reason.
BurlOak
Senior Member
Ontario to create new Indigenous, Francophone ridings in north
I wonder how this can be done so close to an election. It's 10 months to the election and this hasn't been voted on yet.
Maybe that's the solution to Wynne to win - divide the existing 8 Toronto ridings into 80 ridings. This might give the Liberals over 100 of the 200 new ridings.
I wonder how this can be done so close to an election. It's 10 months to the election and this hasn't been voted on yet.
Maybe that's the solution to Wynne to win - divide the existing 8 Toronto ridings into 80 ridings. This might give the Liberals over 100 of the 200 new ridings.