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Where the heck is the Green party??

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dan e 1980

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can the green party ever be a significant alternative?

where the heck are these guys? if a separatist can get a spot in the english debate (useless!), why not the green party?

i know they have to have a certain amount of seats to get in the debate but if these guys aren't seen on TV in a debate, they aren't going nowhere.

and on a local level, the green that's running in my riding is totally unknown. by unknown, i mean that no matter how many times i visit the green party website, there is nothing about the candidate in my riding! no background info, personal views, no plan, etc. i know nothing about this person. how can i vote for a person i know nothing about?
i'm not going to vote for a party simply because it has a green sign.

don't depend on getting votes by hiding under the umbrella of your party's label.
 
Green Party still isn't an officail party. Until it gets three seats it's pretty much going to be an unknown/overlooked party for a long time.

Their platform is also kinda rocky, considering they are using the exact same platform from the last election. You'd expect them to spend the millions they got from finally get 3%+ of the popular vote during the last election.
 
^ According to Wikipedia, 4.3%, almost 600,000 votes. I don't know if they're running candiadtes in every riding this time, but last time they did and the publicity for that and for not being in the debates probably gave them a bump...this time they seem to be completely absent from media publications. I see no lawn signs or no commercials. It's like they're trying to run a clean and proper campaign but as far as most people are concerned, the party is still at the semi-fringe stage, where they could/should be doing desperate publicity stunts.
 
Green Party still isn't an officail party.
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Not official based on what? They are an officially registered party and get funding from the government. I think the requirement for funding was 4% or more which Green party met last election.

Until it gets three seats it's pretty much going to be an unknown/overlooked party for a long time.
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I think I will be overlooking the Conservatives for a long time and they have a lot of seats. :)
 
i just checked the green party page for the candidate in my riding and it looks like they updated it with some information.
 
Not official based on what? They are an officially registered party and get funding from the government. I think the requirement for funding was 4% or more which Green party met last election.
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It's actually 3% of the total popular vote, and every vote is worth between $1.75-$2.25. Last election it was $2 but it was suppose to be adjusted for this election and I haven't heard what the current value of every vote is. I think it went down due to population increase, but it's also based on the number of people who actually go out and vote.

To be an Official Party in Canada, a party must hold at least 3 seats in the House of Commons. If they have the minimum of three seats they recieve the additional expenses budgets. This budget is the one they use to allow MPs to be able to get sectrataries/assistants in their offices. The PC failed to meet this requirement after the Libreal's rise and that's one of the reasons they floundered for a while.

Yes they are an official registered party, but the requirements for that are pretty easy to meet as long as you have enough people running and signatures. Techincally, if you really wanted to, you could register an official party. I forget the current number of people required to run but it's fairly easy to meet in Ontario.
 
I wonder why anyone cares about the Green party. Its an internationalist party that has quasi-leftist policy at best.

In Canada why would anyone care about the Greens when you've got the NDP?
 
The Greens aren't leftists. Reduced federal powers in favour of local decision making, lower taxes for the below $45000 bracket, and lower corporate tax in general but financial / tax penalties based on environmental issues. Basically they are mainstream in their views (in general... some over the top environmental plans exist) but with the guiding rules of "Protect the Environment", "Increase Sustainability", and "Ensure Equal Rights". I think any policy from other parties would be supported by the Greens if it didn't cross those lines. The Greens basically, before taking a stand on any issue, judge it against their principals. Too many parties make quick decisions based on limited analysis and popularity of the plan but don't judge whether or not it is the most financially sound, environmentally friendly, and most long-term (sustainable) solution. The Liberals and Conservatives will spend money on any affordable showpiece project if it will get them elected. The Green party is against the quick fixes and pet projects that waste tax dollars. They would be fiscally conservative (i.e. tight with money unless the project fit their plan for greater sustainability, environmental protection, diversity) but more liberal in their policies.

If you told other parties they couldn't do anything behind closed doors (accountability), not a single dollar could be spent without doing an assessment to ensure the environment was protected and the spending led to greater sustainability (i.e. problem solved permanently rather than throwing money at it constantly) then what you would have I believe the Greens aim to be.
 
Harris was born in Toronto. In the 1980s, he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in English and History from Queen's University in Kingston.[1] Initially a Progressive Conservative,[2] he was converted to green politics in 1985 after reading Green Politics by Fritjof Capra and Charlene Spretnak, highlighting the rise of the German Greens. Harris worked as the National Press Officer of the British Green Party in 1987, and is a lifetime member of that party.[3]


Harris's leadership of the Green Party has been controversial. He describes himself as an ecological conservative and eco-capitalist, and attempted to shift the party to the right on a number of issues.[16] In August 2004, some in the GPC criticized Harris for hiring David Scrymgeour, a former national director of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada and aide to Jim Flaherty, as an advisor.[17] He has also been accused of placing too much authority in the party leadership, while reducing the power of local associations.

After the 2004 election, Harris was challenged for the party leadership by Tom Manley, a prominent party activist from eastern Ontario. Manley argued that Harris was taking the GPC too far to the right, and was abandoning the party's traditional emphasis on local production in favour of large corporate interests.[18] Harris won re-election, though by a narrower margin than before.

are you kidding?

the green party is a conservative party - how it's meant to be.
 
Indeed dan e, there has always been a "conspiracy theory" that the greens are there to dilute the votes of the NDP.

I am not sure how much crediance to give to that theory however.

AoD
 
Where the heck is the Green party?

Always in the same place:

Just south of the Bloc, who are just south of the NDP, who are just south of the Liberals, who are just south of the Conservatives, in The Globe's tracker poll on page 5 every day.
 
The traditional problem with the Green Party was that it was identified with fuzzy-wuzzy flaky hippies. Now, under Jim Harris, it's identifiable with what I might term "eco-dorks"--which is as problematic, if not more so...
 
Now, under Jim Harris, it's identifiable with what I might term "eco-dorks"--which is as problematic, if not more so...
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:rolleyes ... and Conservatives appeal to the "simple minded", Liberals to the "boring people", and NDP to the "mama's boys". :rolleyes
 
Actually, my "eco-dorks" label probably assumes it's the Jim Harris Greens who're the truer "mama's boys", in the Trekkie/LOTR sense. Y'know, if a sweet young hippie chick blows herself up a la Al-Qaeda, her destiny'll be 72 Jim Harris Greens;-)
 
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