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TTC: Yonge North Subway Extension (Finch-Richmond Hill) (Unfunded/Planned)

JasonParis

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Most cost effective is probably a Queensway LRT extension all the way to Hurontario, with a spur down Brown's Line to Long Branch, with a Line 2 terminus at Sherway, and a new western streetcar barn built into the western subway yard complex at Obico. You could run the subway to Sherway via the Obico yard, similar to Line 1 running through Wilson Yard en route to stations north.
I think the Obico purchase makes a Line 2 westward extension slightly more likely in the next 20 years.
 

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10, 000 divided by 800 gives you 13 trains a day each way. Headway based on 20 hours would be 92.3 minutes compare to the current 10-20 minute bus service.
800 passengers per train? What is the 10,000 referring to?
 

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800 passengers per train? What is the 10,000 referring to?
Number of riders a day using the system from Sq One using the TR train since it will replace the TI by then or what every being use on Line 2 then. The TR is supposed to handle 1000 riders per train.

The ridership from the Sq One area is not that high going to Toronto. You need 25,000 riders daily.

Then one must understand that you need space on the Sq One trains to service the current and future ridership of Toronto. If you use 2 minute headway, that 30 trains an hour over 20 hours, that 600 trips. 600 trips equals about 15 riders per train. If you go to 6 minutes headway, that 100 trips with 100 riders

Any option for this extension will be a tap running wild and worst than line 4 by miles.
 

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What are you drink or smoking, as there isn't enough ridership to do it.

30,000 riders use Kipling and Islington a day for all routes.

10, 000 divided by 800 gives you 13 trains a day each way. Headway based on 20 hours would be 92.3 minutes compare to the current 10-20 minute bus service.

The best thing in the long run to take Line 2 along Dundas to Hurontario the will require 90% of the building alone it to be torn down and replace with Mid rise and tall towers. Not going to happen in anyone life time now.

First phase would be Dixie and take decades to build density for the corridor.
For the past week I've been driving on the 427 south to the Gardiner into downtown. I pass dundas all the time and from looking at it, the density is there to justify an extension(in my opinion)past there to highway 10. But as many have said, every line has somewhat of a limit, and I think highway 10 should be the limit for line 2 west. After that if it's justified, continue it with an lrt going west on dundas into the city.

Another suggestion is start an lrt at Kipling and go west on dundas.

Let me know what you think.
 

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For the past week I've been driving on the 427 south to the Gardiner into downtown. I pass dundas all the time and from looking at it, the density is there to justify an extension(in my opinion)past there to highway 10. But as many have said, every line has somewhat of a limit, and I think highway 10 should be the limit for line 2 west. After that if it's justified, continue it with an lrt going west on dundas into the city.

Another suggestion is start an lrt at Kipling and go west on dundas.

Let me know what you think.
You are still looking at Toronto at Dundas going down 427. The X ward councilor has said that everything west if 427 should have become part of Mississauga since Mississauga could do a better job supporting the area than Toronto. To understand Dundas in Mississauga, one must drive and use the transit to see it in real time. It also why Line 2 needs to be extended to Cloverdale.

During the Hurontario EA, running an LRT along Dundas was looked at, but kill by Hydro One as they didn't want an LRT under their system. During the Master Planning of Dundas, LRT was looked at, but only could service Dundas up to Mavis Rd and require a transfer to go west. Since Dundas was more of a Metrolinx thing and paying for it since they wanted one system from Kipling to Burlington, an BRT will be built with its own ROW to about Mavis and then an Express bus to Burlington. At this time, Halton can't justify an Express Bus on Dundas considering how long it been on the books. The EA is to start this year for for Mississauga.

You are far better having a Tram-Train on the Milton Line that comes off before Hurontario St and connects with the Hurontario LRT to Sq One. Until CP allow EMU in its corridor, you need a battery system tram-train which is out there. The tram-train would run on battery on the CP Line and use pan at both ends. Until Metrolinx start installing the electrification of its system, it on hold and would require an EA for the connection to Hurontario LRT.
 

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Even better for the future of Dundas is to demolish the box buildings behind parking space and build midrises that start from the sidewalk. They can put the parking behind and out of sight.
 

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Even better for the future of Dundas is to demolish the box buildings behind parking space and build midrises that start from the sidewalk. They can put the parking behind and out of sight.
I'd be even more ambitious, and look to creating high-rise neighbourhoods throughout the Dundas corridor (maybe stepped back from street-facing midrises as you said), with the highest densities centered around Dixie GO.

Especially with a BRT/LRT on Dundas, much higher population densities can be accommodated.
 

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All of this makes me wish that we extended the subway to Sherway Gardens back in the day. It would be a simple extension that used the existing rail corridor.

And then if we wanted to extend the subway more, a Mississauga extension would be feasible since the distance would only be 8 km, similar to the Vaughan extension

I think an extension of Line 2 west to Sherway is still feasible, just not a priority.
 

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The Village of Dixie was located at Dixie Road and Dundas Street. There used to be a market that was open on Sundays, which got it into trouble. Too bad it got amalgamated into Mississauga and lost its existence in the process of being changed into sprawl.
It was never more than an unincorporated hamlet, similar to Thistletown or Lansing.
 

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For the past week I've been driving on the 427 south to the Gardiner into downtown. I pass dundas all the time and from looking at it, the density is there to justify an extension(in my opinion)past there to highway 10. But as many have said, every line has somewhat of a limit, and I think highway 10 should be the limit for line 2 west. After that if it's justified, continue it with an lrt going west on dundas into the city.

Another suggestion is start an lrt at Kipling and go west on dundas.

Let me know what you think.
That section of Highway 10 was downloaded in 1997-1998 by the same guy who thought filling in an already under construction subway line, amalgamating Metro Toronto was good idea at the time and so so so much more.
 
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That section of Highway 10 was downloaded in 1997-1998 by the same guy who thought filling in an already under construction subway line, amalgamating Metro Toronto was good idea at the time and so so so much more.
It wasn't downloaded, it's connecting link status was repealed and it made perfect sense.
Also, Metro Toronto was basically one city that grew organically from downtown and wasn't even Toronto's whole metropolitan area. Again, made sense.

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Haha yeah, I'm from Caledon, I have always known it as highway 10.
Nice try: Mississauga locals also say they have always known it as Highway 10 as well despite the fact most of it has been an old-school arterial street since long before many of them were born.
 

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It wasn't downloaded, it's connecting link status was repealed and it made perfect sense.
Also, Metro Toronto was basically one city that grew organically from downtown and wasn't even Toronto's whole metropolitan area. Again, made sense.



Nice try: Mississauga locals also say they have always known it as Highway 10 as well despite the fact most of it has been an old-school arterial street since long before many of them were born.
My grandma (born in 1909) always called Highway 10 Centre Road. Roads parallel to it were all 1st Line, 2nd Line, etc.
 

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My grandma (born in 1909) always called Highway 10 Centre Road. Roads parallel to it were all 1st Line, 2nd Line, etc.
Except Highway 10 was 1st Line in these parts:

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And the Centre Rd. name is going back a long ways:

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https://transit.toronto.on.ca/photos/images/mt-arrow-bus-lines-schedule-19570601.jpg

And Mississauga's main street is still called Centre Road up in Mulmer Township:

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But to get my main point of why even locals still call it Highway 10 even in the city, without even realizing how bizarre it is:
 

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