Richmond Hill Yonge Line 1 North Subway Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

If this line is opened before the Ontario line, how bad will the mess of Line 1 be?

I can't imagine it would make much of a difference if it opened a year or two earlier, since all that ridership is arriving by bus now. I fully support the Ontario Line opening first or concurrently though. The OL really HAS to be effective or we will keep running into this nonsense of not building other projects because too many people would use it.
 
If this line is opened before the Ontario line, how bad will the mess of Line 1 be?

Its important to note that during peak hours, the Richmond Hill Line is active, which has a stop at Richmond Hill Center. This means that passengers heading downtown during peak congestion will most likely still use GO, and the people who use the subway will likely be heading to North York or someplace along the Eglinton line. Thus the amount of congestion that will be added at stops like Bloor-Yonge would be minimal at best.
 
Its important to note that during peak hours, the Richmond Hill Line is active, which has a stop at Richmond Hill Center. This means that passengers heading downtown during peak congestion will most likely still use GO, and the people who use the subway will likely be heading to North York or someplace along the Eglinton line. Thus the amount of congestion that will be added at stops like Bloor-Yonge would be minimal at best.
Except that one TTC fare is a lot cheaper than GO fare. Students and low income family will choose the most economic option.
 
Except that one TTC fare is a lot cheaper than GO fare. Students and low income family will choose the most economic option.

Those people likely already take the viva blue down to Finch Station and make up a part of the current Yonge Line rider base. They also make up a small minority of riders commuting to Toronto every day.
 
Its important to note that during peak hours, the Richmond Hill Line is active, which has a stop at Richmond Hill Center. This means that passengers heading downtown during peak congestion will most likely still use GO, and the people who use the subway will likely be heading to North York or someplace along the Eglinton line. Thus the amount of congestion that will be added at stops like Bloor-Yonge would be minimal at best.

The RH line cannot compete with the subway, due to a number of reasons:
a) No stops in downtown other than Union.
b) Meandering route that diverts east further than Don Mills before coming back to Yonge. As a result, the travel time between Langstaff and Union will be only ~ 10 min shorter taking GO compared to the subway.
c) Low frequency.
d) Higher fare.

It is possible to fix (d), and to some degree (c). Nothing can be done to fix (a) and (b).
 
Richmond Hill line doesn't really make much sense as a service if the Yonge North subway is built, unfortunately.

It's essentially a super expensive local bus route, in terms of ridership.
 
The RH line cannot compete with the subway, due to a number of reasons:
a) No stops in downtown other than Union.
b) Meandering route that diverts east further than Don Mills before coming back to Yonge. As a result, the travel time between Langstaff and Union will be only ~ 10 min shorter taking GO compared to the subway.
It is possible to fix (d), and to some degree (c). Nothing can be done to fix (a) and (b).

I'm pretty sure the $19B earmarked for parallel corridors (Ontario Line + Yonge North) could significantly improve all 4 of those issues if directed at Richmond Hill GO service instead, including multiple non-union stops through downtown.

Ontario Line + Yonge North probably result in better ROI but we've not done even a napkin study of what Richmond Hill line might look like with an equal amount of capital poured into it.
 
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I think you could in theory justify a Pickering - Brampton Subway line via Markham Richmond Hill and Vaughan...why not? Our debt levels aren't THAT bad...and if it's going towards awesome infrastructure that will expand the subway system and intensity development then I think it would be justified.
 
Except that one TTC fare is a lot cheaper than GO fare. Students and low income family will choose the most economic option.
Not cheaper if they need to take viva/YRT to Finch.
Langstaff to Union $6.77
Richmond GO to Union $6.86
Gormley to Union $7.87
viva Blue to Finch to Union $3.88 + $3.25 = $7.13

Unless your trip originates from Gormley or Bloomington, it's cheaper with GO.
 
Except that one TTC fare is a lot cheaper than GO fare. Students and low income family will choose the most economic option.

Its cheaper only because its cheaper.

Its not something that cant be changed with political will.

I really hate this excuse of "we need a subway" vs regional transit because a subway has cheaper fare.

Its not like subways come magically with cheaper fares innately.

Lets say if it was determined that electrifying the RH line, diverting to the CP Don Branch route, adding some stations downtown, and running EMU trains on it every 5 minutes was 1/3 the capitol cost of running a subway, with similar results. Lets say 1 billion vs 3 billion for subway.

Then you could decide if the savings from such project would warrant the ability to charge the same $3 fare, subsidized by the 2 billion.

That being said its a non-issue, if you think that the more the TTC subway system is extended into the fringes, fare structuring by distance isnt coming, youre living in a pipe dream. PRESTO allows for it and Metrolinx/TTC has investigated it several times;


As well here are the infill stations investigated for the RH line.


The potential stations investigated

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Its important to note that during peak hours, the Richmond Hill Line is active, which has a stop at Richmond Hill Center. This means that passengers heading downtown during peak congestion will most likely still use GO, and the people who use the subway will likely be heading to North York or someplace along the Eglinton line. Thus the amount of congestion that will be added at stops like Bloor-Yonge would be minimal at best.
Even though it wouldn't make much of a difference, I think Langstaff GO should be moved north a bit to right next to the Richmond Hill Centre Bus Terminal, especially since the TTC Richmond Hill Centre Station will be a bit north of the terminal. They can do what is similar to what is planned for Oriole GO and Leslie Station. However, it was mentioned here before that the City of Markham may be against the station move because it will move out of the Langstaff redevelopment area.

Downtown Markham deserves a subway!
A frequent 2WAD Stouffville GO Line is much better than a Line 2 or Ontario Line extension to Markham.
 
Downtown Markham deserves a subway!
We are getting something similar to a subway, but with a higher speed. It's the Stouffville GO line. Metrolinx plans to run 11 trains per hour in the peak and 8 trains per hour offpeak.

The travel time from Union to Unionville GO may even be faster than to Richmond Hill Centre.
 
We are getting something similar to a subway, but with a higher speed. It's the Stouffville GO line. Metrolinx plans to run 11 trains per hour in the peak and 8 trains per hour offpeak.
Uneducated Subway Supporter: They should have built a subway along Highway 7 so that I can get to the subway to get Downtown.

The travel time from Union to Unionville GO may even be faster than to Richmond Hill Centre.
Do you mean travelling from Union to Richmond Hill Centre or Markham Centre to Richmond Hill Centre?
 

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