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TTC: Yonge North Subway Extension (Finch-Richmond Hill) (Unfunded/Planned)

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Why would the Mayor of Markham think that anyone cares or would even notice that he claims to have supported the "relief line"?

Metrolinx's analysis betrays his remarks suggesting that the Yonge North extension can be built before any Yonge relief line. But why let facts get in the way of transparently self-serving advocacy.
 

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Why would the Mayor of Markham think that anyone cares or would even notice that he claims to have supported the "relief line"?

Because it goes to proving he isn't unaware of Toronto's downstream issues and wants to see both projects proceed, rather than saying his makes sense and theirs doesn't?

Metrolinx's analysis betrays his remarks suggesting that the Yonge North extension can be built before any Yonge relief line.

No it doesn't - he's just relying on a report that's become increasingly outdated as the process for building the subway has dragged on.

I'm amused how much it annoys 416ers every time he speaks (maybe because many are confused why the "Mayor of Markham" cares about the "Subway to Richmond Hill") and, personally, I think it would make more sense for him to stand alongside the mayors of Vaughan and RH, and maybe even the Regional Chair. Still, he doing what he's elected by his constituents to do - promoting Markham's economic development and such - so I don't much see the point getting hot and bothered either way.
 

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I'm amused how much it annoys 416ers every time he speaks (maybe because many are confused why the "Mayor of Markham" cares about the "Subway to Richmond Hill") and, personally, I think it would make more sense for him to stand alongside the mayors of Vaughan and RH, and maybe even the Regional Chair. Still, he doing what he's elected by his constituents to do - promoting Markham's economic development and such - so I don't much see the point getting hot and bothered either way.
Please note that he is also the Chair of the York Region Transit Corporation. So it is appropriate for him to make transit related statements in that capacity.
 

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He is not just the Mayor of Markham, but also the chair of the YRRTC (York Region Rapid Transit Corporation)
 

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Please note that he is also the Chair of the York Region Transit Corporation. So it is appropriate for him to make transit related statements in that capacity.

Good point. I still think there's value in him standing alongside his fellow mayors to show a united front, but I don't question his right to be out there (and, really, Markham probably has more waiting on the subway than Vaughan or Richmond Hill.)
 

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Absent Metrolinx being given the authority (and composition) to coordinate both a long term regional transportation and road network, land use planning, and property monetization where regional politicians would have some role to play in approving funding for regional transportation,, he can stick up for the inhabitants of York Region and Markham all he wants, I guess. I still don't see why anyone in Toronto would or should pay attention him, any more than people living in Markham and York Region would or should pay attention to John Tory's view about what YRT should or shouldn't be doing.

As to deriving amusement from "416ers" being "annoyed", that seems a rather parochial assumption. If that actually causes amusement, I suggest that there are many more productive things one could do with their time. My concern was jurisdictional, not psychological.
 

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I was being a bit jesty about the "annoyed" part but there is a lot of harrumphing about this suburban hubris.

Why should people in Toronto pay attention? Firstly, because I don't think there's a darned bit of difference between Willowdale and Thornhill, but for a random line someone drew, and there are 10s of thousands of 416 residents who stand to benefit from the extension. Which is to say, if you live just south of Steeles and then take your car to Finch Station and get on the subway, you are "stealing the seat" of someone waiting at Eglinton just as much as a future RH Centre resident who could one day get on the subway at Highway 7. It's little consolation that one guy is chipping in a measly 20% of his fare via property taxes and other isn't, I say.

John Tory may not care about the ins and outs of how YRT is run but the fact is thousands of people, every day, take YRT and transfer to TTC (and vice versa) to get to work, to go see the Maple Leafs and a million other things (and there are many more who avoid YRT to transfer to TTC too). Any politician who professes to care about transit without understanding that riders don't care if the bus is blue, white or purple so long as it gets them where they need to go, isn't doing their job as far as I'm concerned. I'm talking about people as transit riders first, not taxpayers. And if Tory (for example) doesn't care how thousands upon thousands of 905 residents get to their jobs in Toronto, he isn't doing his job, notwithstanding that the schedule of the #5 bus in Vaughan is beyond his jurisdiction. Same goes for a Vaughan or Markham politician who only cares about his citizens only up to the point where they cross a border. It's still one trip.

For what it's worth, Civic Action John Tory 100% got this. Whether Mayor John Tory does, I don't know for sure.

At the end of the day, no matter what happens to Metrolinx (though I believe they should evolve to precisely what you describe), the municipalities have a vested interest in working together and so even if John Tory doesn't actually need Markham's darned support for the DRL, it's easier to take Markham's "dream" of a subway more seriously when they acknowledge the larger network issues (for which I'd argue Toronto City Council is pretty much entirely to blame, but I'll leave that there for now).
 

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As a 416-er, I am not amused that transit priorities are being dished out in terms of which political seats are battleground seats between the Tories and Grits.

At this point, I am all for Metrolinx being given the authority to holistically plan a regional network. I have more faith in them planning capital investment priorities than Queens Park does.
 

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(maybe because many are confused why the "Mayor of Markham" cares about the "Subway to Richmond Hill")
I think most are aware that Richmond Hill is only north of Highway 7 - leaving only the proposed Line 1 terminus just north of the Langstaff GO in Richmond Hill. Three of the five proposed stations are in, or partially in, Markham, while a fourth (Richmond Hill Centre) is very close to the Markham border with Richmond Hill. The removed Royal Orchard station would also have been partially in Markham - which is still being discussed in recent YRT presentations.

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Lets say this extension opened today. What good and bad things would transit riders face tomorrow?
I would not be able to get on the subway at Eglinton.

I hope Bixi Bike expansion continues northward. It might become my option during rush hour as a consequence.

Others in my neighbourhood who are not fit 20-something males might just choose to drive instead though.
 

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