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TTC: Sheppard Subway Extension (Proposed)

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Remember the 404 is right next door to Don Mills station practically, so if they had extended the line to even Consumers Road it would have driven costs up dramatically.

Not that i'm defending the decision, because frankly it was idiotic not to have the line go out to at least Victoria Park. Lastman and Co. probably thought that Don Mills would be the perfect terminus since Fairview Mall would act as an anchor, and drivers would magically come off the 404 and use the parking lot at Fairview, then commute via subway downtown.
They were boring the tunnels anyways. They only part that would have driven up costs significantly are the additional Consumer Road and Victoria Park stations.
 

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To be honest, development probably would have materialized at NYCC had the Sheppard line been fully extended out to STC. The labour market in Scarborough is still largely untapped in today's age, and that's in part due to the horrid commute times to get in the Downtown core, let alone NYCC.

Having a quicker east-west rapid transit link would have done wonders for commutes into the downtown core and to NYCC.
I disagree. All over North America, the trend over the past 15 years has been a dramatic shift away from suburban office developments, in favour of intensification in urban cores. I don’t anticipate that any suburban centres in the GTHA would see success, regardless of transportation connections.

Hindsight is 20/20 of course. Had the Sheppard Subway opened back in the 70s, when the trend was suburban intensification, we very likely would’ve seen substantially more development of NYCC and STC. Unfortunately the line arrived in 2002, which was “too late” to take advantage of that trend
 
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Taking the above points individually:
  • "Standing Room" is hardly an indicator of crush capacity
  • The cost of such a small bespoke fleet may indeed be significant in the long term
  • At least having a ballpark price on full length platforms, especially going into any serious look at extensions, makes a lot of sense
  • I fear that extending the platforms now is more a prelude to through routing with Line 2 than anything else
Doesn't the SSE to Sheppard preclude the through-routing with Line 2? I remember there was a push for the "Big Bend" proposal, which would have turned Line 2 towards Sheppard, but that was back when it was a single-stop "Express subway."

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So if I mash together all the various interlines folks have been bringing up I get something like this... Anything missing?
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Maybe try adding the Flying U and a YUS loop next?

:p
You forgot to add the DRL and its extension to Sherway to meet up with Line 2.

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Doesn't the SSE to Sheppard preclude the through-routing with Line 2? I remember there was a push for the "Big Bend" proposal, which would have turned Line 2 towards Sheppard, but that was back when it was a single-stop "Express subway."

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You forgot to add the DRL and its extension to Sherway to meet up with Line 2.

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But I want to go by subway to the Toronto Zoo!
 

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Had the Sheppard Subway opened back in the 70s, when the trend was suburban intensification, we very likely would’ve seen substantially more development of NYCC and STC. Unfortunately the line arrived in 2002, which was “too late” to take advantage of that trend
Perhaps ... the 20-year after Line 4 completion ridership was estimated to be completely pathetic, the last time they modelled ridership, even compared to the same scenarios they modelled in the 1990s. Seemed to be even lower east of Victoria park to connect it to Scarborough Centre, than instead run an LRT along Sheppard, looking at the EA. No wonder perhaps that the latest plan no longer has Line 4 as subway to Scarborough Centre, but to Sheppard/McCowan.
 

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Doesn't the SSE to Sheppard preclude the through-routing with Line 2? I remember there was a push for the "Big Bend" proposal, which would have turned Line 2 towards Sheppard, but that was back when it was a single-stop "Express subway."
I hope so, but with the version of Sheppard that the province likes never going south of the 401 it still seems a real possibility.
 

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Doesn't the SSE to Sheppard preclude the through-routing with Line 2? I remember there was a push for the "Big Bend" proposal, which would have turned Line 2 towards Sheppard, but that was back when it was a single-stop "Express subway."

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You forgot to add the DRL and its extension to Sherway to meet up with Line 2.
Although I appreciate the beauty of the single line ;) - I would keep the Bloor Line Green and the Sheppard Line Purple.
As they say on the Ontario Line - bring the line up from underground to save money - which can be done here for the Green Line just north of the Railway, and for the Purple line just west of Midland.

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I disagree. All over North America, the trend over the past 15 years has been a dramatic shift away from suburban office developments, in favour of intensification in urban cores. I don’t anticipate that any suburban centres in the GTHA would see success, regardless of transportation connections.

Hindsight is 20/20 of course. Had the Sheppard Subway opened back in the 70s, when the trend was suburban intensification, we very likely would’ve seen substantially more development of NYCC and STC. Unfortunately the line arrived in 2002, which was “too late” to take advantage of that trend
Not necessarily. Vancouver is currently in full swing with large suburban centres being developped, namely Brentwood and Metrotown. Just because its not common doesn't mean its impossible. Its just about where you upzone as a city planner.
 

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The plan was originally to have the first phase go to Victoria Park - but Harris shot that down, as well as the Eglinton West subway. Harris wanted to kill the whole thing, but Mel Lastman managed to save the stretch from Yonge to Don Mills.
Can we all agree the Harris government set Ontario back more than a decade?
 

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So if I mash together all the various interlines folks have been bringing up I get something like this... Anything missing?
View attachment 277883

Maybe try adding the Flying U and a YUS loop next?

:p
I want to ride the purple route from Bayview to North York Centre via Scarborough and downtown because I am too lazy to transfer at Sheppard-Yonge station.
 

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