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With a McCowan and Sheppard interchange you could interline all 3 subway lines.
I'm pretty sure the cancellation of the 985A is due to covid...I live at Morningside and Lawrence and just recently found out that there is no longer express service from STC to don mills station.
So if I want to go to fairview mall, I have to go to Morningside and Sheppard, and then take the Sheppard bus from Morningside to don mills. That's like 1hr and half without ever seeing a ttc station or go station. No where else in the city can you travel 1hr and half by bus and not come across a station. Scarborough is an afterthought in this city in terms of almost everything
You will see Agincourt GO station on Sheppard between Midland and Kennedy.I live at Morningside and Lawrence and just recently found out that there is no longer express service from STC to don mills station.
So if I want to go to fairview mall, I have to go to Morningside and Sheppard, and then take the Sheppard bus from Morningside to don mills. That's like 1hr and half without ever seeing a ttc station or go station. No where else in the city can you travel 1hr and half by bus and not come across a station. Scarborough is an afterthought in this city in terms of almost everything
If they do decide to extend line 4 eastward, it should go right to Agincourt in the first phase. No point launching in TBM for < 2 km.Interlining is worth consideration though I don't think absolutely necessary. But that's a bit different than building whole new tunnels further west.
Rapid transit to Malvern is important but I'm not convinced a Line 2 or Line 4 extension is the most appropriate. I would study these options along with various LRT modes (at-grade or elevated) and routes.
I view the top two priorities for Sheppard as Line 4 extensions to Sheppard West for better network connectivity and to Vic. Park to serve the Consumers Road business area. While I prefer at-grade LRT east of Vic. Park, I'm not against looking at incremental subway extensions to a) Agincourt GO station, and b) McCowan/Line 2 - provided there are comprehensive land use and transportation plans around these MTSAs.
Anything to the west beyond Sheppard West Stn and to the east beyond McCowan would be pure fantasy.
You've just described big stretches of the LA system which works really well for the most part.Out of curiosity, would it be feasible to have a Calgary/Edmonton style full-priority high-floor LRT running along Sheppard at the surface, or is that unrealistic? Also would building cut and cover significantly reduce costs on this corridor?
Just because its possible doesn't mean its practical. Yes Ottawa does run on Low Floor vehicles, but at a massive cost, that being future capacity. Simply put, by running on low floor vehicles, Ottawa now has less capacity in their trains for no apparent reason. As for the Sheppard Line, there is a good reason of using high floor, even in a median setting, which is the existing subway. Your two options are either A) Have 2 services running along Sheppard, a subway from Yonge to Don Mills, then an LRT from Don Mills out East which not only is it messy, but is extremely inconvenient for passengers travelling to North York Centre. Your other option is to modify the existing subway to LRT which if done using low floor technology, would require changing the height of the platforms which is expensive and frankly unnecessary. Given these scenerios, if we had to make Sheppard East an LRT, the best solution would be to run High Floor LRTs using the existing subway segment.Short answer, yes. Long answer, the size of the platforms makes it harder to design and build, with poorer urban form in the end, than low floor. Given everything involved, if we're talking a primarily surface median ROW I'd be inclined to cut down the platforms in any conversion. The question is, ultimately, what you gain by creating a new and distinct fleet with more difficult infrastructure?
My inclination is that high floor trains of some sort could make sense IF we went back to the SRT and were building something like the Scarborough Y, but given the Scarborough Extension we probably have more to gain by cutting down the Sheppard line platforms. Whatever else Ottawa has done, they've shown that light metro level of service can be achieved with low floor equipment.
Third option is to use light metro tech Alstom Metropolis or like Ontario Line, re-use the tunnel sections and run any extensions elevated and at grade. It's not necessary to degrade the service all the way to low-floor LRT.Just because its possible doesn't mean its practical. Yes Ottawa does run on Low Floor vehicles, but at a massive cost, that being future capacity. Simply put, by running on low floor vehicles, Ottawa now has less capacity in their trains for no apparent reason. As for the Sheppard Line, there is a good reason of using high floor, even in a median setting, which is the existing subway. Your two options are either A) Have 2 services running along Sheppard, a subway from Yonge to Don Mills, then an LRT from Don Mills out East which not only is it messy, but is extremely inconvenient for passengers travelling to North York Centre. Your other option is to modify the existing subway to LRT which if done using low floor technology, would require changing the height of the platforms which is expensive and frankly unnecessary. Given these scenerios, if we had to make Sheppard East an LRT, the best solution would be to run High Floor LRTs using the existing subway segment.
Ye, and personally I think this might be the best solution. I'm just talking in the context of the original Sheppard LRT plan.Third option is to use light metro tech Alstom Metropolis or like Ontario Line, re-use the tunnel sections and run any extensions elevated and at grade. It's not necessary to degrade the service all the way to low-floor LRT.
Got it. If we go the LRT route (cheap), I can't see retrofitting the existing tunneled portion.