TTC: Sheppard Subway Extension (Proposed)

[sixrings]

When did this become the fantasy thread?

 

[Rainforest]

I think there's more merit to continuing into Mississauga to connect with Milton line. Brampton would already be connected with Kitchener Line. Just funnel routes into Brampton, Bramalea and Malton GO and provide frequent service to connect at Etobicoke North, since Kitchener line will be getting frequent service. It is pretty redundant run a different technology to Brampton on a different ROW.

Fair enough; maybe the connection at Etobicoke North will serve all trip variations. Kitchener RER going to downtown and to Brampton, the new "Sheppard" extension going to Pearson and North York.

Maybe GO Expansion gets done with the same technology and the branch just uses the Kitchener line?

I think the GO expansion will use same kind of wide trains they are using today, just single-level with faster boarding. Still way too bulky for the "Sheppard" extension if we hope to ever build it for a reasonable cost.

If you're extending the Eglinton LRT to Mississauga, might as well extend this line if both lines would be extending from Renforth/Pearson.

If both lines reached the Renforth hub at the same time, then the "Sheppard" line could take over and get extended further into Mississauga. But as it stands, Eglinton LRT will likely reach Renforth decades sooner than the fantasy "Sheppard" extension.

 

[marcus_a_j]

Anything to the west beyond Sheppard West Stn and to the east beyond McCowan would be pure fantasy.

 

[Rainforest]

Side question, is UP getting replaced by the Kitchener RER? I would love to see it stay, and have the corridor see 7.5 minute or less headways between downtown and YYZ, oh boi, that would basically be relief line west resurrected right there

UP is an odd duck, it was built as such. The Pearson platform is tiny and cannot serve long trains, and the Pearson spur makes a tight curve just before it joins the Kitchener mainline. As a result, they have to keep the UP price high and not too attractive for everyday commuters. Otherwise the commuters would swarm the UP trains; Metrolinx is unable to run longer trains on this route.

So, looks like UP does not fit into any expansion plans unless Metrolinx decides to rebuild the spur.

 

[Rainforest]

Anything to the west beyond Sheppard West Stn and to the east beyond McCowan would be pure fantasy.

Then we should get Finch Crosstown first, and deal with Sheppard later

 

[Bureaucromancer]

UP is an odd duck, it was built as such. The Pearson platform is tiny and cannot serve long trains, and the Pearson spur makes a tight curve just before it joins the Kitchener mainline. As a result, they have to keep the UP price high and not too attractive for everyday commuters. Otherwise the commuters would swarm the UP trains; Metrolinx is unable to run longer trains on this route.

So, looks like UP does not fit into any expansion plans unless Metrolinx decides to rebuild the spur.

It does depend what length of train they get, I measure the platform at Pearson as about 330 feet, so a three or four car unit will fit if it can handle the curves; neither would be a surprising size for individual EMU sets. A single unit still leaves it having to operate a separate service with capacity constraints, but it's not necessarily doomed to forever need a bespoke fleet if GO does do something to accommodate for high platforms (which Caltrain's fleet does).

 

[Jaye101]

Anything to the west beyond Sheppard West Stn and to the east beyond McCowan would be pure fantasy.

I always felt that the Sheppard subway should interline with the YUS at Sheppard West and terminate at York University in the west. Direct connection to Finch LRT and a major trip generator.

In the east, I think either Line 2 or Line 4 should terminate at Malvern Town Centre.

Those don't exactly sound like fantasies to me.

 

[afransen]

Anything to the west beyond Sheppard West Stn and to the east beyond McCowan would be pure fantasy.

If you use TR/tunnels, definitely. I would actually say that extending Sheppard at all as a subway is pure fantasy. Using a surface LRT to connect and serve the rest of Sheppard is probably what will eventually happen, but it is a pretty mediocre solution.

 

[marcus_a_j]

I always felt that the Sheppard subway should interline with the YUS at Sheppard West and terminate at York University in the west. Direct connection to Finch LRT and a major trip generator.

In the east, I think either Line 2 or Line 4 should terminate at Malvern Town Centre.

Those don't exactly sound like fantasies to me.

Interlining is worth consideration though I don't think absolutely necessary. But that's a bit different than building whole new tunnels further west.

Rapid transit to Malvern is important but I'm not convinced a Line 2 or Line 4 extension is the most appropriate. I would study these options along with various LRT modes (at-grade or elevated) and routes.

I view the top two priorities for Sheppard as Line 4 extensions to Sheppard West for better network connectivity and to Vic. Park to serve the Consumers Road business area. While I prefer at-grade LRT east of Vic. Park, I'm not against looking at incremental subway extensions to a) Agincourt GO station, and b) McCowan/Line 2 - provided there are comprehensive land use and transportation plans around these MTSAs.

 

[JasonParis]

I always felt that the Sheppard subway should interline with the YUS at Sheppard West and terminate at York University in the west. Direct connection to Finch LRT and a major trip generator.
In the east, I think either Line 2 or Line 4 should terminate at Malvern Town Centre.
Those don't exactly sound like fantasies to me.

I echo this. It would take a small period of adjustment for Torontonians to get used to an interlined route, but it does serve destinations with one ride better. Also, with all Line 1 trains not going up to VCC, I believe there is capacity here too.

 

[ARG1]

I echo this. It would take a small period of adjustment for Torontonians to get used to an interlined route, but it does serve destinations with one ride better. Also, with all Line 1 trains not going up to VCC, I believe there is capacity here too.

> VCC

Damn that's a callback.

 

[JasonParis]

Ahhh, I meant VMC, or whatever it is called this year.

 

[north-of-anything]

Can't we just say Vaughan Centre and leave it at that?

I think if we were to extend Line 4 eastwards, it should probably surface east of the 404. Have a station at Consumers/Brian and another one in between Vic Park and Pharmacy. Maybe have it terminate at Warden, redevelop the surface parking lots there, and have another eastward extension in the future.

 

[Aplus23]

I live at Morningside and Lawrence and just recently found out that there is no longer express service from STC to don mills station.

So if I want to go to fairview mall, I have to go to Morningside and Sheppard, and then take the Sheppard bus from Morningside to don mills. That's like 1hr and half without ever seeing a ttc station or go station. No where else in the city can you travel 1hr and half by bus and not come across a station. Scarborough is an afterthought in this city in terms of almost everything

 

[Aplus23]

I live at Morningside and Lawrence and just recently found out that there is no longer express service from STC to don mills station.

So if I want to go to fairview mall, I have to go to Morningside and Sheppard, and then take the Sheppard bus from Morningside to don mills. That's like 1hr and half without ever seeing a ttc station or go station. No where else in the city can you travel 1hr and half by bus and not come across a station. Scarborough is an afterthought in this city in terms of almost everything