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TTC: Sheppard Subway Extension (Proposed)

syn

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Living in Scarborough I do wish this would be the case instead... Out of curiosity, any thoughts if Del Duca would reverse Ford's transit plan back to the old plan?

Tough to say. The SSE is so politically charged it's hard to see anyone cancelling it. Then again, they've started and canceled so many projects - if they can develop a better plan I'd never say never.
 

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Tough to say. The SSE is so politically charged it's hard to see anyone cancelling it. Then again, they've started and canceled so many projects - if they can develop a better plan I'd never say never.
The skeptic in me says due to covid were going to have deferred spending on all projects except for Eglinton west because the airport which happens to be close to Doug's home is a vital transit hub.
 

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Probably won't happen.

It doesn't matter what's needed. Anything 100m or below is disrespect! :p

Thing is if we used the metrics of the Prov's OL carrying capacity, 50m stations would be sufficient forever. Maybe bump it up to 75m for the hell of it. But you are correct, that'd be unfair somehow and thus an automatic non-starter.
 

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I dunno how sentiment in this forum has changed since the early years of last decade, but I am becoming way more supportive of a Sheppard Subway Extension, to the degree that I wish it was occurring instead of the Scarborough Subway Extension. Especially if combined with an Ontario Line extension from Eglinton to Sheppard to redirect Scarborough/North York passenger volumes away from Line 1.

A two stop extension with stops at Consumers and Victoria Park can be justified very easily with changing land use context, and I think that holds true all the way to Agincourt. From Agincourt, it would be prudent to find a way to connect to Scarborough Town Centre and with Line 2.

An infill station at Willowdale could probably pay for itself if you impose a TIF in the area.

From the land use perspective, Sheppard extension would probably win. But from the ridership perspective, SSE wins. The peak ridership forecasts for SSE are in the range of 7,000 to 14,000 pphpd, while for the Sheppard extension, no more than 5,500 pphpd.
 

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It's important to note that the Sheppard Extension numbers are quite old at this point. Who knows if the changing landuse context has changed that.

Personally I would much rather see the Ontario Line go up to Sheppard before this one.
 

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It's important to note that the Sheppard Extension numbers are quite old at this point. Who knows if the changing landuse context has changed that.

Personally I would much rather see the Ontario Line go up to Sheppard before this one.
The OL or DRL with traditional subway trains is what should be built first. But God wouldn't that be perfect for the entitled rich people who get to shop at Don mills and York mills while people in Scarborough are basically neglected.
 

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It's important to note that the Sheppard Extension numbers are quite old at this point. Who knows if the changing landuse context has changed that.

Personally I would much rather see the Ontario Line go up to Sheppard before this one.

I believe the old Sheppard Extension numbers took into account the land use changes. Condos add some walk-in traffic but do not really change the balance that much on the subway scale. Feeder routes are always the main contributor to the subway ridership, except in the small downtown zone with very high employment density.

But yes, the Sheppard numbers are old, and would change somewhat if recalculated today.

Extending Ontario Line to Sheppard makes perfect sense, and after that, retrofitting the existing Sheppard subway to the OL technology may be considered.
 

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It's important to note that the Sheppard Extension numbers are quite old at this point. Who knows if the changing landuse context has changed that.

Personally I would much rather see the Ontario Line go up to Sheppard before this one.

Good point.

If the Sheppard Line became the main subway line in Scarborough, I have no doubt the ridership would be as good as the SSE projections, if not better.

Ultimately, it's more practical.
 

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I somehow remember subways to pickering in someone speech. Pretty sure that wasn't Trudeau or Tory.

That's quite possible; I did not follow that closely.

But, what is it worth?

Allocated finding = say 50% chance of actually seeing the thing built. No allocated funding = just a background noise. I can as well promise to build a Floo network.
 

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That's quite possible; I did not follow that closely.

But, what is it worth?

Allocated finding = say 50% chance of actually seeing the thing built. No allocated funding = just a background noise. I can as well promise to build a Floo network.
Its worth as much as anything drawn on a napkin.
 

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