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Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

And also to:

-shut up the voices that demand Respect For Scarborough (that should be a bumper sticker) for god knows what reason
-get John Tory and vultures like Glenn De Baermaker voted in Scarborough.

Now that's it.

Ridership debates are irrelevant.
This guy has been the biggest cheerleader for Sheppard since who knows when.

Bingo. This was to prevent a war. And adjei, all I have said for years was that the Sheppard East LRT was unwanted by the people living there. They should build the subway...to shut them up. Like we are doing now.


http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/1...editors-scarborough-town-centre-is-not-remote

I could find far far worse articles of bias than the one she attacks in this article. But more interesting to see the Conservative ramping up the subway support on the transit file. They were quiet for so long.. Possibly due to the bi-election coming up. Always hard to believe the Cons wanting to fund anything that causes a tax hike but nice to hear someone in the media fighting for Scarborough.

"And the so-called one-stop subway isn’t actually new. It will replace the existing LRT — a poorly-constructed piece of work". This is inaccurate as presently it is not an LRT

Scarborough needed to get it's pork. They were getting jealous that Vaughan gets a subway to nowhere, (aka VMC) but SCC a part of Toronto gets 2nd rate transit. Those that care about transit want people to get better service and larger coverage area. The politicians want to give SCC some wasteful pork project to buy votes. It's no different than the Vaughan extension. Yes Vaughan has more useful stops, but not by many. It's almost the same price for similar distance. Only 3 stops will get much usage will be between Finch and Steeles. The other 3 stops will be ghost towns the rest of the time, not to mention that the extension will leave Sheppard West (formerly Downsview) fairly empty, since the 196 Rocket ridership will be gone.

Hopefully this decision (however bad) will get something build in Scarborough. If Keesmat gets her way politically, all 3 projects will be built: SmartTrack/RER, 1 stop subway and EC E LRT.

Yes lots of inaccuracies, stretched truths and convenient slant.. Just the same but with an opposite viewpoint of what's in the hundreds of Star opinion pieces. Too bad a few people can only see this from one side
Blizzard is just making noise. Not a big deal.
 
Could New York City's Staten Island be equivalent to Toronto's Scarborough?

See link.

New York: “Subway Deserts” and the Bus “Turnaround” Campaign


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Could New York City's Staten Island be equivalent to Toronto's Scarborough?

See link.

It's sad that there hasn't been a proper definition of the problem.
Steve Munro always notes the absence of a demand flow analysis.
So many posts in this thread clearly show a lack of common understanding and ignorance of basic principles.

Scarborough has much suburban density housing but pockets of high density. There are three post secondary institutions that would be best served with adequate public transit. The Zoo is in Scarborough and is poorly served by public transit. The Kennedy subway is the end of the line of rapid transit and is in south Scarborough. For most of Scarborough, very long bus routes feed into the Subway, Victoria Park, Warden and Birchmount from Steeles. The most indecent bus routes are the 86 and 116 which have to go from Kennedy to north east Scarborough (like the Zoo). There is now an express bus to Scarborough College, but for many years it was the 86 or 116 that went there. Both routes serve pockets of very high density (Kingston Road and Lawrence) and the 116 has one of the most number of buses on it and a very heavy passenger load.

The roads department, which is independent of the planning department, never built any 6 lane north/south roads in Scarborough. This makes north/south bus travel very difficult especially Victoria Park, Birchmount and Kennedy.

To get to Kennedy station Eglinton East serves as a sink for all the buses. Lawrence is actually twice as long as Eglinton and has equivalent density. Instead of taking the 86 or 116, Lawrence would be heavily used if there were a subway station.

The Scarborough Rapid Transit (SRT) is an inconvenient connection between the Scarborough Town Centre (STC) and Kennedy Station. Many stops don't serve passengers, they just slow down the trip. The SRT platform at Kennedy is two stories above grade and passengers have to go two stories below grade to reach the subway platform (four level exchange). Whenever there is a snow storm you will see passengers lined up from the SRT platform, down three flights of stairs waiting for the SRT (prone to frozen switches.) While getting to the STC may be geographically the shortest route, in terms of time in transit, it is shorter to stick to buses that take you directly to Kennedy Station.

One added twist. Markham, to the north of Scarborough has built apartment complexes that have exponentially increased its density. Markham is a car society. Count on each apartment having two cars and the same for every house. The traditional routes into Toronto are so jammed, that there are drivers from Markham who go through Scarborough to get to Toronto. All the 4 lane north/south roads are now packed, not good for bus schedules.
 
Isn't it technically still LRT? Just an older version?

If it's not light rail then what is it?
then why was it not called LRT in the first place. Thats the problem - people thinking LRT's are streetcars, now the RT. No wonder everyone wants subways
 
It also used to be called "ALRT", "Advanced Light Rapid Transit" or "Advanced Light Rail Transit"
- but that was before "LRT" became more or less exclusively associated with in-street / at-grade running capability and low floor vehicles.
i.e. compare current LRT thinking with high floor LRT systems.

So the current terminology would favour ICTS or mini-metro - and it looks the part:

SkyTrain MKIII at Main Street-Science World Station by Elfren Ordanza July 10th, 2016:


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JustinPJTrudeau/Instagram
http://www.cknw.com/2016/06/16/pm-t...million-being-invested-in-transit-across-b-c/

MKIII, MKII, MKII.5, MKI, MKII
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http://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/07/spot-the-mark-iii-testing-continues-this-weekend/

At Granville Station by Ian Fisher:
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_yvr/27586642523/

Big tall windows:

By Xanduth:
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpottheMarkIII?src=hash
 
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While the Bloor-Danforth subway will terminate at Scarborough Centre, there is an opportunity to add some LRT routes connecting SCC to Centennial Progress Campus, and then to the areas east and north of it.

The first scheme mostly uses the former SLRT route from SCC to Malvern, but instead of being tunneled between Sheppard and Malvern Centre, it runs on surface in the median of Sheppard and then Neilson Rd. Another branch continues in the median of Sheppard to Morningside, then turns south and becomes Eglinton East LRT.



The second sheme includes a route that stays south of 401 all the way to Neilson. The branches are basically same: one up Neilson to malvern, the other down Neilson and along Ellesmere to UofT Scarborough, becoming EC E LRT.



The second scheme results in a shorter EC E LRT route / faster trips to from the east to STC; but the section between Progress and Neilson (just south of the 401 lanes) may be harder to build.
 
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While the Bloor-Danforth subway will terminate at Scarborough Centre, there is an opportunity to add some LRT routes connecting SCC to Centennial Progress Campus, and then to the areas east and north of it.

I have said this before. Grade-separated LRT east of SC was overkill. And that's by admission of Metrolinx and the TTC which suggested short turning half the LRTs at SC. That tells me that LRT on Progress, at-grade can be built cheaply to service Centennial College. Maybe tunnelled (cut and cover) from north of the 401 till Malvern Town.
 
A few weeks ago the chief planner posted on twitter what a new street network in Scarborough Centre might look like. It's an old graphic created several years ago that will probably be redesigned at some point, but the basic concept remains the same.


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Depends if it's true BRT {a la Mississauga} or BRT "lite" {a la York Region} which certainly has it's merits in reliability and quicker boarding but limited speed introduction. Mississauga has built true rapid transit while York/Brampton have built improved transit.
 

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