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Brown surprise everyone in 2018, I think. In regards to Toronto transit, I think the Tories will run on a transit platform that includes the Relief Line, Sheppard Subway extension, and the Yonge Subway extension.
Which makes me wonder what will happen to all the planned light rail lines such as Hurontario. Tim Hudak wanted to scrap them and substantially water down GO RER plans.
 

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Which makes me wonder what will happen to all the planned light rail lines such as Hurontario. Tim Hudak wanted to scrap them and substantially water down GO RER plans.
The Liberals have notoriously bought off the 905 to get into power. Gas Plants, LRT, yada,.... For the Cons to have any chance they have to support these projects too.
 

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Which makes me wonder what will happen to all the planned light rail lines such as Hurontario. Tim Hudak wanted to scrap them and substantially water down GO RER plans.
I suspect lines that are heavy into construction will be left alone. Sheppard LRT isn't going to start construction under 2019 so he'll most likely run on a Sheppard Subway plan. Brown doesn't want a repeat of the Eglinton West subway cancellation.
 

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St. Clair and Warden has experienced a significant amount of residential growth recently, and I'm certain a developer would snap up the northern overflow lot. In fact, the whole Warden corridor between St. Clair and Eglinton seems ripe for development with the Crosstown coming in. The caliber of retail in this area has experienced a notable uptick in the last couple of years it seems to me. (Granted there is still a long way to go)
How recently? It was only several months ago that I used to travel through St. Clair and Warden weekly, and I remember that area being surrounded by forestry and single family homes. Honestly perhaps the least dense areas of the city I frequent.
 

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OK so politics has won and I don't at all agree with the subway but then I didn't agree with the LRT either especially since it's cost has soared to near subway levels.

There is some logic in wanting to extend the subway to STC and the high speed of the line will attract riders and help spur development.

What I don't understand is how they can budget $3.2 billion when they don't even know the route or how much {if any} will be tunneled/elevated/at grade. Seeing there is only going to be one station, those 2 consideration will have, by far, the largest impact on the cost of the project. Certainly using the current RT corridor would be the easiest and quickest to build and the most affordable and if there will be no in between station then that certainly has the benefit of Smart Track/RER and the subway not bleeding ridership from each other.

If the budget is $3.2 billion, I'm sure the people of Scarborough would rather have a cost effective way of using the funds and using the savings to extend the line further either north to Sheppard or elevated east to Centennial College.
 

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What I don't understand is how they can budget $3.2 billion
The budget isn't $3.2 Billion. It's $3.4 Billion + $0.130 Billion/year of delay (the project is delayed and we'll have to wait until the TTC puts together a new schedule to know the extent of the delay) + up to 30% cost escalation once detailed design is complete.
when they don't even know the route or how much {if any} will be tunneled/elevated/at grade.
The budget is for completely underground.
 

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OK so politics has won and I don't at all agree with the subway but then I didn't agree with the LRT either especially since it's cost has soared to near subway levels.
It's not yet clear what the costs of the LRT are. Nearly all of the cost escalation we previously saw were due to inflation of the dollar. The TTC has confirmed that they significantly overestimated the construction time necessary for the LRT, and thus the actual costs should be hundreds of millions below the $2.7 Billion previously reported.
 

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How recently? It was only several months ago that I used to travel through St. Clair and Warden weekly, and I remember that area being surrounded by forestry and single family homes. Honestly perhaps the least dense areas of the city I frequent.
Not that recently - I'm referring to the townhouses on the NW and NE corners. The overflow lot could certainly turn in an extension of that development.

"Forestry" is a strong word - there is a Woodlot/parkette on the SW corner (Warden Woods)
 

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Of all the ridiculous claims made during the debate, the one that won the Nonsense On Stilts Award for me was the notion that every town/city centre in Toronto except Scarborough had a subway station.

Can any SSE booster (heck, anyone at all) tell me when a subway station was built in East York Town Centre?
 

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Of all the ridiculous claims made during the debate, the one that won the Nonsense On Stilts Award for me was the notion that every town/city centre in Toronto except Scarborough had a subway station.

Can any SSE booster (heck, anyone at all) tell me when a subway station was built in East York Town Centre?
I would be asking the question how much more would of it have cost in the grand scheme to have looped the Eglinton LRT down Laird and up Don Mills? We really do have an issue with the fine details. But hey that's the old black & white Toronto transit planning for you and the reason Scarborough had to fight to remove such absurd transfers.

LRT would have been fine to SCC if that's what were connecting into & not more ridiculously adding a transfer to Sheppard residents with the Sheppard LRT.
 
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I like Brown. But Cho is a real piece of work. What anyone in his riding has seen in him all these years is absolutely beyond me.
In his riding. Quite frankly inertia and name recognition.

He's totally useless. And I know because I've met him several times and my father does work for him. He keeps trying to run for higher office. And I think he's run for all three parties.


Sadly, the PCs simply appointed him. They cancelled the vote for the nomination, the day of.
 

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There is no subway station at East York Town Centre, and there is no plan to run an LRT there, either. This inconvenient fact could be admitted by subway boosters, and would help to create the city building they claim they want. Admitting a shortcoming in an argument doesn't destroy the argument: it is an admission that reality is nuanced and complex. It helps build trust between the speaker and the listener.
 

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There is no subway station at East York Town Centre, and there is no plan to run an LRT there, either. This inconvenient fact could be admitted by subway boosters, and would help to create the city building they claim they want. Admitting a shortcoming in an argument doesn't destroy the argument: it is an admission that reality is nuanced and complex. It helps build trust between the speaker and the listener.
Ya it was a dumb comment I guess if that what you want to hear. But that Politics...The issue with EYC has nothing to do with Scarborough fighting to be effectively integrated. The issues is the City is too short sighted to properly connect important areas. That's not Scarborough's fault and if anything we get it. If you cant connect your centers with respect when it comes to new transit than they are never going to be used as main centers in the future.
 

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Of all the ridiculous claims made during the debate, the one that won the Nonsense On Stilts Award for me was the notion that every town/city centre in Toronto except Scarborough had a subway station.

Can any SSE booster (heck, anyone at all) tell me when a subway station was built in East York Town Centre?
East York Civic Centre is only a stone's throw away from Coxwell subway station. And the mall named East York Town Centre is in the direct trajectory of any future DRL subway line.
 

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