CMQSD402F9011
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With trucking might be expensive in the future. Wouldn’t TTC build like an unloading spur or ramp at Kipling from the CP Rail Galt Sub for the future subway car deliveries? Greenwood might probably not be used anymore.
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smallspy
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A ramp was built at Wilson for the TR deliveries. It is still there, and will likely be where all new cars are delivered in the future.
Dan
81-717
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One would hope so, but reading some posts/threads here often gives the impression of a "soft on" / "bleeding heart" attitude to the problem at best.
Yet the contract still isn't awarded ("negotiations with Alstom" should've been completed by now, and the contract not being awarded is now the only thing stopping Thunder Bay from designing & building those things already).
The new cars are needed sooner (should've already been here starting this year, but no thanks to Leary's incompetence & complicity in delaying/cancelling them, the best we can hope for now is 2030 or maybe 2029 if we're really lucky) than the new yard would be built (the new yard seems to have been pushed back to probably the late 2030s at best, presumably to be concurrent with a potential west extension), so GW isn't going anywhere. The new cars are spec'd as 2-car sets (unlike the TRs) specifically for this reason.
RapidTransit
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New cars will still be designed for 6-car open gangway operations. I assume a similar set up as the BART trains.
I'm sure there's a lot of details to work out before signing off on anything. As there should be. Why design something when not knowing the full ask.
My wishkist, that will never happen is for Sheppard to be 6car trains as well. Make all subway lines the same, instead of a unique fleet.
I'm sure there's a lot of details to work out before signing off on anything. As there should be. Why design something when not knowing the full ask.
My wishkist, that will never happen is for Sheppard to be 6car trains as well. Make all subway lines the same, instead of a unique fleet.
81-717
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Yes the gangways will span all 6 cars, but they could still be uncoupled into 3 pairs, unlike the TRs. Though maybe they should've gone with the REM configuration with the gangways spanning each pair only.
The details should've already been worked out when the RFP was posted twice in 2023/2024. What "should be" is for them to arrive as soon as possible, since they're already gonna be late. Absolutely not a single T1 should be anywhere other than a scrapyard beyond the early 2030s (same with the TRs beyond the early/mid 2040s), period.
Maybe when the 4 is extended into a proper line, provided they have the sense to not build a separate tram line or OL 2.0
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CMQSD402F9011
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I meant if it’s possible to build a ramp at Kipling station (Where the Galt sub is) or possibly at Wilson now that the airport has been closed at Downsview.
Greenwood yard stopped taking deliveries of new subway cars in the early 2000s iirc. But yea Greenwood isn’t going anywhere.
smallspy
Senior Member
What bearing does the existence or lack-thereof of an airport at Downview have on the existence and use of a loading ramp at the TTC's facility?
At the end of the day - sure, anything is possible. But the question is why? What does building a new ramp at Kipling or anywhere else get you versus one at a TTC facility that already exists?
Dan