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Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

AlvinofDiaspar said:
Did you notice the bit where he isn't pony any additional dollars up? That's his skin in the game - enjoy the ride.

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Why would he? It would certainly be a bonus, but they are doing their part already. You and I (if you live in TO) will pay the rest... As we should. If you read between the lines he was basically telling the transit rich Political Elite in Toronto exactly that.
 
coffey1 said:
Why would he? It would certainly be a bonus, but they are doing their part already. You and I (if you live in TO) will pay the rest... As we should. If you read between the lines he was basically telling the transit rich Political Elite in Toronto exactly that.
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We will see just how willing Scarborough residents wish to see their property surcharge rise for this project.

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
We will see just how willing Scarborough residents wish to see their property surcharge rise for this project.

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Already has gone up. As a whole no one is complaining other than the anti-Scarborough NIMBY's downtown.

Im not sure how clear the message needs to be. Ford, Tory, the Province, the Fed. Yet here we are still Fighting the Toronto machine or I should say it the Machine just abusing and flexing its media powers. Your statement is beyond absurd. We are long overdue to be connected properly into this City.

Bye Bye Transfer City. The segregation dream is almost over
 
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AlvinofDiaspar said:
Did you notice the bit where he isn't pony any additional dollars up? That's his skin in the game - enjoy the ride.

AoD
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Speaking of ponies....there's some hilarious numbers in this article:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...way-cost-should-kill-this-project-keenan.html

If you were intent on spending $2.9 billion to serve Scarborough and the city, what could you do?

Well, you could take $900 million to buy a fleet of 50 Russian Mi-26 troop transport helicopters, capable of carrying well over 7,500 people an hour from Scarborough Town Centre to Kennedy station in less than two minutes, or all the way to Toronto City Hall in under five minutes. And then you could use $625 million to alsobuy every single person who lives in Scarborough a pony. And then with the $1.375 billion you have left over, you could halve the Toronto Community Housing repair backlog, to ensure 5,000 units of affordable housing aren’t condemned.

Don’t the long-suffering people of Scarborough deserve helicopters, ponies, and housing?
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This puts the cost nicely in context.
 
Juan_Lennon416 said:
What alignments do you recommend?
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Revisit the SRT alignment - see what can be done to improve it (the argument against being the turns slows it down too much). If one argue that this alignment doesn't serve where the demand is - sorry, a one stop subway to STC definitely serves less. The transition period is going to be an issue of course, but that can be managed.

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AlvinofDiaspar said:
Revisit the SRT alignment - see what can be done to improve it (the argument against being the turns slows it down too much).
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This can be solved by ordering new Trains for Line 2 that can take a tighter turning radius at faster speeds. By the time the extension is complete in Scarborough, they will need to replace the T1's on Line 2 anyways.
 
More fun graphics:

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Even Emery Village is performing better...
 
A great article but it still doesn't touch the best and cheapest of the opitions.

The best of course is too simply upgrade the current SRT and Kennedy exchange and simply extend the SkyTrain all the way to downtown using the current rail corridors. Far less disruption to build, fastest route, and the control/maintenance/garage is already in place.

After that then it's a ST spur to downtown although it has the disadvantage of having to build along a used corridor that will still have GO and SRT running.

LRT is obviously a better choice than this fool hardy subway adventure but, as noted in the article, the LRT east expansion to U of T at Scar is a good idea and an entire true Crosstown from Scar to Miss makes for seamless crosstown travel.

Explain the 4 options, their costs, speed, frequency, dis/advantages in a series of town halls throughout Scarberia, show examples of the new SkyTrain cars, LRT, and catenary subways so they know what they are voting on and tell them the budget. Let them know thast a one stop subway will not result in a very shortened Eglinton East LRT clearly stating that the budget of $2.9 billion is firm and non-negotiable so they know that that putting all the money into one little extension will cause cuts in other projects, and then hold a plebiscite or a series of 3 or 4 different polls over a one week period and release the results at the same time, take the scores and the most popular option wins. Let Scarberiens make their choice and they have to live with the consequences.

It takes the decision out of the hands of the sleazy politicians with political agendas and puts into the hands of the people that will actually use it and will put an end to this fiasco once and for all.
 
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