TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

[drum118]

If BBD wins Calgary Order, they will not start work on it until mid 2024 to 2025. As pointed out, any order for more TTC cars will take months to a year to get parts from all the suppliers and will still require workers to be lay off until all the parts are here.

Then who paying for these cars first place as TTC doesn't have them funded until 2026 if funds are found for them???? Sure Ford not going cover the cost sooner and the feds will only do 1/3 of the cost, depending on who is office after the election.

4557 and 4556 in the service bay

4543 hasn't been tracking for a number of days and don't know if it still at Hillcrest or The Barns.

Who going to be off load first,,,,,,4560 or 4576??

Kingston still producing a car very month or two with 4575 being off loaded may 27. If Kingston is still going to produce the cars up to 4603 like it was supposed to do, the last car will show up late 2021 at the current rate and Thunder Bay out of work by Oct, since there only 20 more to do.

 

[drum118]

Ontario and Ottawa trade blame over Bombardier layoffs

 

[Admiral Beez]

Ontario and Ottawa trade blame over Bombardier layoffs

It's not a Crown Corporation. There is only one place to lay blame, and that's at Bombardier's doorstep, and their inability to compete for and win new business. The Buy America rules have been in place for decades, are no excuse. There's a resurgence across North America for LRT and regional rail and the until-now continental leader has faltered. This is purely Bombardier's fault.

 

[nfitz]

This is purely Bombardier's fault.

Given that production of TTC subway cars and Metrolinx cars from that factory have been fine, and recent moves by our anti-transit Premier have cut TTC' and Metrolinx's budget, reducing the need for new railcars, and delaying the purchase of new subway cars, then I don't think it can be 100% Bombardier's fault.

Even the TTC Flexity streetcars look as though they'll all be delivered on-time by the end of 2019, despite the teething problems; production has by far exceeded the original schedule of 9 to 12 cars a quarter since fall 2017 - almost 2 years ago.

I'm not saying that there that it's 100% not Bombardier's fault ... but you can't attribute nothing to the bungling and incompetent government and their mismanagement of Metrolinx.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Even the TTC Flexity streetcars look as though they'll all be delivered on-time by the end of 2019,

You can't change the deadline and then say you've delivered on time.

 

[nfitz]

You can't change the deadline and then say you've delivered on time.

It's always been 2019 for completion of the order. Many years ago when the early deliveries were late, TTC comments there wasn't much they can do as long as the contractual 2019 requirement was met.

Sure, there were earlier targets and promises that weren't met. We all know this. But simply saying they missed the deadline is overstating it - particularly given they've by far exceeded the original production schedule now for 7 quarters in a row, and look on target to make that 9.

To claim that it's completely Bombardier's fault is wrong - especially how badly the conservatives have screwed up things and delayed various transit projects that would require equipment currently made in this factory.

 

[bbdfollower]

Why wouldn't it be competive? The option price is lower ... about $3.5 million for the TTC cars (about $5 million for the original cars) and compared to the $8.5 million that Metrolinx sole-sourced for the Alstom cars (not counting the $1 million or so per car Metrolinx paid in penalties to get out of the Bombardier order).

Competitive contract there was referring to a process whereby TTC or whoever goes out to vendors/suppliers with RFPs and has a process to select the vendor with the best product. They weren’t referring to prices.

 

[ssiguy2]

Neither Calgary nor Edmonton use any Bombardier trains, they use Siemen's. I doubt either will ever buy Bombardier products as the public backlash would be too great. Bombardier, to Albertans, epitomizes everything they hate about Montreal/Toronto power and favoritism in Ottawa. It would be political suicide for any municipal or provincial gov't to provide funding for Bombardier and creating jobs in Ontario & Quebec . Albertans would rather walk in -40 degree weather than ride a Bombardier train.

 

[nfitz]

Neither Calgary nor Edmonton use any Bombardier trains, they use Siemen's. I doubt either will ever buy Bombardier products as the public backlash would be too great.

Why then was there no public backlash now that Edmonton is going to use Bombardier vehicles?

‘Mission accomplished’: Bombardier tours first Edmonton Valley Line LRT car

A dedicated intercom for wheelchair users, extra-thick glass to keep out the cold and eight open spaces for bikes and strollers — the head of Bombardier was…

edmontonjournal.com

 

[robmausser]

Neither Calgary nor Edmonton use any Bombardier trains, they use Siemen's. I doubt either will ever buy Bombardier products as the public backlash would be too great. Bombardier, to Albertans, epitomizes everything they hate about Montreal/Toronto power and favoritism in Ottawa. It would be political suicide for any municipal or provincial gov't to provide funding for Bombardier and creating jobs in Ontario & Quebec . Albertans would rather walk in -40 degree weather than ride a Bombardier train.

COUGH https://www.bombardier.com/en/media...upply-light-rail-transit-s.bombardiercom.html

 

[Steve X]

So who is Calgary going to buy from for their Green line (LFLRV)? No, it's not Siemens.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/siemens-calgary-ctrains-1.5204818

Green Line news

www.calgary.ca

They have shortlisted their RFQ to 4 bidders

Light Rail Vehicle Request for Qualification

On February 1, 2019, The City released the RFQ for the Green Line's new fleet of Light Rail Vehicles (LRV). The Green Line will use low-floor LRV technology that has not been used before in Calgary.

This RFQ closed on May 16, 2019. We received submissions from eight Applicants and have concluded our evaluation. The four shortlisted LRV suppliers, who will be invited to participate in the next stage of the LRV procurement, the Request for Proposals (RFP) stage, are:

• Alstom Transport Canada Inc.
• Bombardier Transportation Canada Inc.
• Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles
• Kinkisharyo International L.L.C.

The LRV RFP is anticipated to be released in December of 2019.

If they go with Alstom or BBD, I highly doubt they would open an assembly factory there since they are in in production in Ontario. We can pretty much conclude that the only Canadian content in any of these companies would be final assembly in Canada. All the parts would be sourced from outside the countries. For Calgary, they are trying to make the damn line fit under their budget so the least to worry about is creating jobs in Onatrio/Quebec.

 

[drum118]

COUGH https://www.bombardier.com/en/media...upply-light-rail-transit-s.bombardiercom.html

The only reason they won the order as they were part of a P3 Team that won the bid. If any other P3 team had won the bid, it would had been another supplier other than BBD. Siemens, Alstom and CAF where the other supplier from what I recall seeing, but could be wrong on one of them.

 

[Andy_in_Toronto]

Meanwhile, in Europe there is a new design for the Flexity streetcars:

New design of Bombardier Flexity tram unveiled for Wiener Lokalbahn - Urban Transport Magazine

Bombardier and Wiener Lokalbahn presented the design of the new generation of railcars on 11 July 2019. The design of the low-floor trams of the so-called “Baden Railway” (German: Badner Bahn) presents itself in a completely new outfit. Delivery of the new trains will start in 2021. The new...

urban-transport-magazine.com

 

[crs1026]

4576 offloaded, 4560 delivered to Hillcrest, 4561 has reached Toronto.

- Paul

 

[drum118]

4559 is tracking and has been out testing the last 24 hours and about to leave the yard for more testing.or waiting for a bay to open up

4558 still not tracking

4556 is in the yard waiting for a bay to open up and 4557 in the service bay.

4543 is tracking again and is at Hillcrest