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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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That gets increasingly complicated

Delivered - 4400, 4402-4526, 4528, 4572-73 - 129 cars
Built to less than full spec, not yet delivered as a "complete" car - 4401 - 1 car
Shipped, en route - 4527, 4529

So, 132 in existence, but.....

4 cars off site for rewelding
1 car off site for repairs (flood damage)
1 car off site for final fit-out

- Paul

For delivered + accepted cars, it puts us at 129 then? The cars off for crack-fixing, presumably that's all under warranty?
 

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That gets increasingly complicated

Delivered - 4400, 4402-4526, 4528, 4572-73 - 129 cars
Built to less than full spec, not yet delivered as a "complete" car - 4401 - 1 car
Shipped, en route - 4527, 4529

So, 132 in existence, but.....

4 cars off site for rewelding
1 car off site for repairs (flood damage)
1 car off site for final fit-out

- Paul

126 on the roads now but they still can't run any on either the 505 or 506.

Madness.
 

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126 on the roads now but they still can't run any on either the 505 or 506.

Madness.
From CPTDB. There were 50 ALRVs. Only 8 remain in serviceable shape. There were 200 CLRVs. 89 have been retired. 42 + 89 = 131. There is not even a net increase in vehicles. Just bigger and newer.

As for 505. There is a lot of construction on Dundas still between Spadina and Yonge. Streetcars would be hopeless there.

But even with half the 504s turning at Cherry loop, Broadview is tied up regularly at Danforth.

I am not sure that 505 will be a streetcar again for some time. I believe that Dundas West and Broadview can’t handle the larger cars. Each needs a third platform notwithstanding deflecting a large number of car movements to Cherry and Dufferin loops.
 

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I am not sure that 505 will be a streetcar again for some time. I believe that Dundas West and Broadview can’t handle the larger cars. Each needs a third platform notwithstanding deflecting a large number of car movements to Cherry and Dufferin loops.
Currently at Broadview, the 504s are all using one (too short) streetcar platform and the 505 buses the other. There's a similar arrangement at Dundas West. There's nothing at either station stopping 505 returning as streetcars.

The more frequent 504 was the line having problems at Broadview station in particular, with the short 1-car platform. The TTC resolved(?) this by significantly cutting 504 frequency on Broadview and Roncesvalles in the fall.
 

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From CPTDB. There were 50 ALRVs. Only 8 remain in serviceable shape. There were 200 CLRVs. 89 have been retired. 42 + 89 = 131. There is not even a net increase in vehicles. Just bigger and newer.

Nitpick: there were 52 ALRVs delivered to the TTC, and while 196 CLRVs were built one was scrapped in 2009 after a failed rebuilding project.

Additionally, not one ALRV has been in service for the past 4 weeks or more, so it will be interesting to see if they return to service.

Dan
 

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CPTBD list has 96 CLRV's scrap as well 36 car ALRV's. Tracker sees only 13 ALRV's and 6 that can be use for service. 4236 shows up at Roncy 19 days ago, with 12 at Russell. 4203, 4204, 4207, 4225, 4226, 4228 are the only cars with current GPS location, with the rest been last seen a week to a month ago.

Don't expect to see any ALRV's in service until the warm weather is here to the point the fleet is already retired.

Since there is a plan on rebuilding Dundas West station and loop, it should be done at the same time as the k/q/q/r intersection is being done. More so, a development should be built over it as part of the redevelopment of the property on the south side.

By scraping the existing fleet sooner, saves money trying to keep them running until 2023, but reduce service level and continue the cattle car loads. Even adding buses to off set the lost of CLRV's, it takes away buses from routes that need more service. Its a no winner for riders.

Wouldn't be surprise to see 505 and 511 remain buses until a new order shows up.

TTC will have 3 more cars on site this week. 4573 is out testing, but GPS is not working for it. No idea if 4525 has done its testing 100%, but been in the service bay since Friday and could see service this week since it arrived one day after 4526.
 

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I have a feeling they'll keep 502, 503 and 505 buses till 2026 when they order more streetcars.

Although a TTC notice says 505 will b e buses until "mid-2019" on their website

ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Service_changes/feb505.jsp

CPTBD list has 96 CLRV's scrap as well 36 car ALRV's. Tracker sees only 13 ALRV's and 6 that can be use for service. 4236 shows up at Roncy 19 days ago, with 12 at Russell. 4203, 4204, 4207, 4225, 4226, 4228 are the only cars with current GPS location, with the rest been last seen a week to a month ago.

Don't expect to see any ALRV's in service until the warm weather is here to the point the fleet is already retired.

Since there is a plan on rebuilding Dundas West station and loop, it should be done at the same time as the k/q/q/r intersection is being done. More so, a development should be built over it as part of the redevelopment of the property on the south side.

By scraping the existing fleet sooner, saves money trying to keep them running until 2023, but reduce service level and continue the cattle car loads. Even adding buses to off set the lost of CLRV's, it takes away buses from routes that need more service. Its a no winner for riders.

Wouldn't be surprise to see 505 and 511 remain buses until a new order shows up.

TTC will have 3 more cars on site this week. 4573 is out testing, but GPS is not working for it. No idea if 4525 has done its testing 100%, but been in the service bay since Friday and could see service this week since it arrived one day after 4526.

4204 and 4249 I think will be the only ALRVs that will see service again, the rest haven't for months. Both 4204 and 4249 were in service in Jan before the fleet went dark. 4230 will be retired. As for CLRVs, 4041, 4106, 4120, 4199 will now be retired, as well as 4093 and 4032.
 

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Since there is a plan on rebuilding Dundas West station and loop, it should be done at the same time as the k/q/q/r intersection is being done. More so, a development should be built over it as part of the redevelopment of the property on the south side.

I agree that would be ideal, but isn't a Dundas West station and loop reconstruction many years/decades away? Was there ever anything beyond that Metrolinx (?) concept done? K/Q/Q/R is already scheduled for next year, so I see zero chance that they would be done together.
 

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4529 was off loaded today.

Looks like 4573 is about to leave the yard for a night of testing.
 

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I agree that would be ideal, but isn't a Dundas West station and loop reconstruction many years/decades away? Was there ever anything beyond that Metrolinx (?) concept done? K/Q/Q/R is already scheduled for next year, so I see zero chance that they would be done together.
Yes, and there is also the problem that getting special trackwork built (it is built by a US company) has a long waiting list and takes several years. (In fact the Board are approving, I assume, a new contract at their meeting today and the info on agenda says "The current contract expires December 31, 2019. However, due to the long lead times required to fabricate special trackwork castings, the first year of the contract for this requirement is typically used to cover the design and fabrication of patterns and assemblies. As a result, an order must be placed in early 2019 to allow for the replacement of special trackwork to be completed in 2020, to ensure continued safe and reliable operation. " As @brainfreezed says, even if TTC had all the specs prepared it is already too late to get any new 2020 projects onto the schedule.
 

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That gets increasingly complicated

Delivered - 4400, 4402-4526, 4528, 4572-73 - 129 cars
Built to less than full spec, not yet delivered as a "complete" car - 4401 - 1 car
Shipped, en route - 4527, 4529

So, 132 in existence, but.....

4 cars off site for rewelding
1 car off site for repairs (flood damage)
1 car off site for final fit-out

- Paul

They STILL havent upgraded 4401?

Jeesh.
 

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They STILL havent upgraded 4401?

Jeesh.
It still hasn't return from Quebec where its being not only rebuilt as a production car, but fixing the welds issues. The other prototype cars took about a year to be rebuilt.and this one was ship May 18, 2018. May see it in June or July or when, when TTC gets it back. Still has to do full testing once here like all new cars. All cars going to Quebec or NY will under go standard testing for all new cars once they return.
 

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