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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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With only 2-4 seeing service these days, best to scrap them this year, than 2020. Once the cold weather is here, will not see them and what good are they sitting in the yard?? Having 2-4 in service doesn't really help the line or hurt it if they aren't there in the first place.
They already said they'd all be gone by end of 2019. But will the cold weather really be a big issue? I thought it was the electronics that were the big issue not the air lines - which did get overhauled.

Getting more cars order needs to be one of the top items that the new board needs to deal with on day one.
Yes. And best give the 60-cars to Bombardier, who can easily have them all delivered by 2022. Rather than car 1 arriving in 2024 if they meet an exceedingly optimistic schedule.

And then look at the costs. The Bombardier cars were about $5 million each, with the next lowest bidder being about $7.5 million. But the add-on cars from Bombardier are only $3.4 million. Surely going with any other bidder is going to double (or more) the costs.
 

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They already said they'd all be gone by end of 2019. But will the cold weather really be a big issue? I thought it was the electronics that were the big issue not the air lines - which did get overhauled.

The air system continues to be a problem in cold weather, even despite the work done on the cars. The control systems are problematic year-round.

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Certainly not worth wasting any more money on. The $$$ they paid on the CLRVs seems to have paid off. But the $26 million spent on the ALRVs to keep ... what ... at most 5 cars in service at once? With the add-on Flexities priced at $3.6 million each (let's call it $4 million with escalation, etc.) they could have bought 8 Flexities instead of working on those 20-odd ALRVs.

Still, no point looking back. TTC still hasn't sorted out orders to fill the gap between the 204 cars they've originally ordered, and the 260+ they actually need to provide the current service, let alone the 350 they'll need in a few years time.

If only it was the same quality headway! 504 service on Roncesvalles is about half of what it was back in 2014, before they started the 514 thing and bustitution.

Though the answer is clear. You use buses instead. The ALRV work only got them no more than 5 ALRVs in service most days. 1 or 2 some days. Buying 10 additional buses would have been far cheaper! And at the end of the day, you can use the buses somewhere else!

The ALRV fleet rebuild, Brad Ross and TTC even admitted was not really a good idea, but had to be done because of the ridership. The only ALRVs that still get into service are 4204, 4217, 4221, 4229, 4236 and 4249. Today, only 4204, 4217, 4221, 4229 and 4236 got out. Aren't the ALRVs supposed to be gone by January, however ?
 

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In other news: Brad Ross tweeted that they’re finally gonna deploy flexities on Queen during the weekday.

Well, I and most people on this thread knew that the deployment of Flexities on 501 was gonna eventually happen, but now that Flexities are being deployed on 501 on weekdays and Saturdays, it's great to here, even if it's just 3 Flexities, because 501 needs extra capacity.
 
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Looks like 4507 has fail it first test and currently out at Long Branch Loop. It started testing early Wed after spend the last few days in the service bay, with its GPS being all over the place. It been here 14 days so far.

4508 & 09 are still not tracking after being here 10 & 5 days.

4510 was off loaded on Wed. Up to 110 delivery so far, with 94 more to go. Thats 8-9 cars a month now to meet current schedule for 2019.

Come April, it will be interesting to see how the new fleet is used, since there will be no streetcar service west of Dufferin for about 3-6 months for 501 & 504 and 511 still using buses. Could have about 130 cars in service by April.

Still seeing the odd CLRV on 504B.

Wouldn't be surprise to see next 5 plus cars going into service on 501 and increasing the number of new cars on it until it 100% Flexity. This will mean the end of the ALRV's. Its best to retire the ALRV's by year end.

TTC should be able to ship a few more cars to Quebec in Dec or late this month. Now, what is happening to the water damage cars?? Is TTC still going to ship these cars to NY or are they going to do it in house??

So far, BBD is almost a month late shipping cars from Kingston and will there be any here this month???

The failure rate has fallen again and not close to the 35k and less than 50%. Even the TR's are just over 50% for the 600,000 and how long have they been here??
 

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Looks like 4507 has fail it first test and currently out at Long Branch Loop. It started testing early Wed after spend the last few days in the service bay, with its GPS being all over the place. It been here 14 days so far.

4508 & 09 are still not tracking after being here 10 & 5 days.

4510 was off loaded on Wed. Up to 110 delivery so far, with 94 more to go. Thats 8-9 cars a month now to meet current schedule for 2019.

Come April, it will be interesting to see how the new fleet is used, since there will be no streetcar service west of Dufferin for about 3-6 months for 501 & 504 and 511 still using buses. Could have about 130 cars in service by April.

Still seeing the odd CLRV on 504B.

Wouldn't be surprise to see next 5 plus cars going into service on 501 and increasing the number of new cars on it until it 100% Flexity. This will mean the end of the ALRV's. Its best to retire the ALRV's by year end.

TTC should be able to ship a few more cars to Quebec in Dec or late this month. Now, what is happening to the water damage cars?? Is TTC still going to ship these cars to NY or are they going to do it in house??

So far, BBD is almost a month late shipping cars from Kingston and will there be any here this month???

The failure rate has fallen again and not close to the 35k and less than 50%. Even the TR's are just over 50% for the 600,000 and how long have they been here??

Will 505 still be using buses in April ? That's one likely place aside from 510, 509, 512 and 504B.
 

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Will 505 still be using buses in April ? That's one likely place aside from 510, 509, 512 and 504B.
505 has been using buses because of construction by the city. Need to look at schedule changes to see whats going on and when.

I have no idea what TTC has plan for 505 or 506 in 2019, but TTC is saying only 25 CLRV's will be around by the end of 2019 at this time and no ALRV's.
 

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505 has been using buses because of construction by the city. Need to look at schedule changes to see whats going on and when.

I have no idea what TTC has plan for 505 or 506 in 2019, but TTC is saying only 25 CLRV's will be around by the end of 2019 at this time and no ALRV's.


Well, then it is an wait and see situation then.
 

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A fender bender to 4468. I was on my first ALRV ride for weeks, and one stop into my ride, we were forced to walk as an auto hit 4468 right in front of us at about 5:15 pm.

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505 has been using buses because of construction by the city. Need to look at schedule changes to see whats going on and when.

I have no idea what TTC has plan for 505 or 506 in 2019, but TTC is saying only 25 CLRV's will be around by the end of 2019 at this time and no ALRV's.
When does a Flexity call Russell or Roncesvalles home?
 

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And, now we are down a Flexity. How serious was the crash ??
Newsflash. This one. Less two shit damaged from August. Less one which has never seen service yet, 4401. Less one or two being rewelded.

In any event this is about the fourth impact collision I can think of. So far TTC has replaced the fibreglass panels quickly and the vehicles have been returned (relatively) quickly to service.
 

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One hopes that the Flexity design would be crash-resistant and the placement of gear under those front fenders was thought out with an eye to not putting anything complicated where it could be compromised by potential mishaps. Doesn't look serious, but a camera phone shot may not be that reliable.

- Paul
 

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4507 will finally enter service on Friday as its in the yard now. Still nothing showing for 4508 & 09.

By the look of 4468, it needs a new front skirt. Beyond that, hard to say what else needs to be replace.
 

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One hopes that the Flexity design would be crash-resistant and the placement of gear under those front fenders was thought out with an eye to not putting anything complicated where it could be compromised by potential mishaps. Doesn't look serious, but a camera phone shot may not be that reliable.

- Paul
Doesn't look like anything substantial was damaged in this incident. What I do hope is that the TTC has a good supply of fiberglass replacement panels.
 

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