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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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Pickup isn't speedy at Thunder Bay either, but that's not surprising either. There is paperwork that Bombardier has to do as shipper, and then more paperwork that the railway has to do as the cars are considered dimensional (ie oversize) loads. The Millhaven cars will be interchanged so both CP and CN will have to do paperwork, and coordinate a little more than they might for a boxcar of peaches. They may get the kinks out after a few cars are shipped.

One of the transporters in the Toronto-Thunder Bay cycle appears to have been freed up and handed over to CN. I'm guessing that it may be on its way to Millhaven. I don't know whether the two transporters that were delivering KW cars are now free and clear from that duty yet.

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Not freed up until December or January. The Edmonton cars are even more over-sized as they have to sit on a steel structure that is longer than the flatcar.
 

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4506 is in service on 504A after been here 11 days

4507 in the service bay and was out testing yesterday

4508 not tracking yet

Edit: that should be 504B

4509 off loaded today.
 
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So, Bombardier is cutting 5,000 jobs, most in Quebec. I don't think this will slow down the Flexity order any further, but, thankfully Rick Leary says there is a back-up plan for if the whole Flexity order does not get delivered, but it should all get delivered.
 

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So, Bombardier is cutting 5,000 jobs, most in Quebec. I don't think this will slow down the Flexity order any further, but, thankfully Rick Leary says there is a back-up plan for if the whole Flexity order does not get delivered, but it should all get delivered.

It seems to be mostly related to their aerospace division.
 

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So, Bombardier is cutting 5,000 jobs, most in Quebec. I don't think this will slow down the Flexity order any further, but, thankfully Rick Leary says there is a back-up plan for if the whole Flexity order does not get delivered, but it should all get delivered.
Backup Plan = Buses on 505, 506 and 511, with remaining CLRV backing up the LRV until new cars show up around 2024 from another supplier. May see some ALRV's, but only in the warm weather.

So far, BBD is meeting this year schedule, but Dec 28 will be the day if the schedule has been met period.

4507 is at Long Branch Loop now. May see it in service around Nov 13 if no issues surface. Been here 8 days so far.

4508 should be tracking anytime and do its first day of testing. Been here 4 days already. May see it in service Nov 17.

50 cars on TTC property so far for this year schedule.
 

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It seems to be mostly related to their aerospace division

Backup Plan = Buses on 505, 506 and 511, with remaining CLRV backing up the LRV until new cars show up around 2024 from another supplier. May see some ALRV's, but only in the warm weather.

So far, BBD is meeting this year schedule, but Dec 28 will be the day if the schedule has been met period.

4507 is at Long Branch Loop now. May see it in service around Nov 13 if no issues surface. Been here 8 days so far.

4508 should be tracking anytime and do its first day of testing. Been here 4 days already. May see it in service Nov 17.

50 cars on TTC property so far for this year schedule.

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Well, then I guess I was wrong, but, we have up to 4508 in Toronto ( 4400,4401, 4404 in Quebec for welding, 4507 and 4508 not in service yet, and scheduled maintenance), but, I have a feeling that the whole fleet might be delivered by next year, with the way Bombardier has ramped up deliveries
 

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Well, then I guess I was wrong, but, we have up to 4508 in Toronto ( 4400,4401, 4404 in Quebec for welding, 4507 and 4508 not in service yet, and scheduled maintenance), but, I have a feeling that the whole fleet might be delivered by next year, with the way Bombardier has ramped up deliveries
Nope, 4509 is the last one to be off loaded and it was today.

I have gone by delivery to TTC property as schedule, while others going by in service like TTC CEO. Problem with in service is the length of time to get the car into service. It can be between 11-30 days these days, depending on what issues surface during testing.

TTC will have 10-20% of the fleet not in service once they do enter service and class as spares to cover a wide range of things that may go wrong while in service. Since there are now 106 cars in service, TTC has 11-21 spare cars and this allows TTC to have 4400 and 4404 in Quebec as well 2 flood damage cars to be out of service for 6-12 months.

4401 is not at TTC car, but a BBD car. When 4401 does come back, it will be a TTC car and only after it pass the standard testing like all other cars.

TTC will have another 2-4 spare cars by year end to allow more cars to be ship to Quebec for welding issues.

BBD has only 36 working days to have the other 15 cars on TTC property, but it will be less for CP to delivery those cars. You have holidays coming up during the work week. Work days are M-F only.

4510 is due next week. Never know when 4470 will show up.
 

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When the cars are being held together by Duct Tape and the electronics are so outdated they are not worth saving. The state of the ALRVs and CLRVs were so bad that it was likely a good business decision not to waste resources trying to fix them.

Just because you can fix something it does not always make sense especially when they will only be on the road for another year.
 

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When the cars are being held together by Duct Tape and the electronics are so outdated they are not worth saving. The state of the ALRVs and CLRVs were so bad that it was likely a good business decision not to waste resources trying to fix them.

Just because you can fix something it does not always make sense especially when they will only be on the road for another year.
What would you do to offer service to the current ridership at the same quality headway??
 

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The state of the ALRVs and CLRVs were so bad that it was likely a good business decision not to waste resources trying to fix them.
Certainly not worth wasting any more money on. The $$$ they paid on the CLRVs seems to have paid off. But the $26 million spent on the ALRVs to keep ... what ... at most 5 cars in service at once? With the add-on Flexities priced at $3.6 million each (let's call it $4 million with escalation, etc.) they could have bought 8 Flexities instead of working on those 20-odd ALRVs.

Still, no point looking back. TTC still hasn't sorted out orders to fill the gap between the 204 cars they've originally ordered, and the 260+ they actually need to provide the current service, let alone the 350 they'll need in a few years time.

What would you do to offer service to the current ridership at the same quality headway??
If only it was the same quality headway! 504 service on Roncesvalles is about half of what it was back in 2014, before they started the 514 thing and bustitution.

Though the answer is clear. You use buses instead. The ALRV work only got them no more than 5 ALRVs in service most days. 1 or 2 some days. Buying 10 additional buses would have been far cheaper! And at the end of the day, you can use the buses somewhere else!
 

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What would you do to offer service to the current ridership at the same quality headway??

Not use the legacy fleet. IIRC they had issues with the pneumatic systems a couple years ago in the cold whereas buses and flexities did not.

The number of legacy cars is dwindling and their reliability is questionable. Keeping them around will not help keep the status quo.. it will cause more problems when cars are yanked from service for mechanical or other issues.
 

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