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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

EastYorkTTCFan

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If I was in charge, a contract would have been awarded in 2016 for the extra 60, with the first prototype been here now or later this year and production cars starting to show up in 2019. Completion would be late 2020 or early 2021 by X company, other than BBD.

The problem with that is convincing City council to pay for it then. The TTC should have oderd new streetcars more then 10 years agao at thgis point when the curent flet was only 30 years old isnsyed becise of city council they waited 10 years too late to do it.

I will celebrate when the last car is on TTC property and BBD is history.
Yes we know what yours and everyone else opinion on them is at this point. Chances are the TTC will likely award them a new contract
 

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If I was in charge, a contract would have been awarded in 2016 for the extra 60, with the first prototype been here now or later this year and production cars starting to show up in 2019. Completion would be late 2020 or early 2021 by X company, other than BBD.

With what money?

The TTC hasn't even gotten approval for the additional 60 cars from Bombardier. What makes you think that you could somehow weasel the $500mil or more that it would take from the City to get a new tendering process started in 2015 - since after all, it would take at least a year to get the process rolling before awarding the tender?

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 

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With what money?

Indeed. Even with the large promised injections of federal and provincial cash there are going to be many proposed projects currently on the table which remain unfunded in 2028.

Wouldn't be surprised if we took the extra 60 from Bombardier and silently defer the additional 100 beyond that.
 

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This means, deliveries is the key point and it based on being on TTC property, not in service or in CP yard.
It is key. I agree. But for some reason, that's not what what TTC is reporting on.

There is a big different between the Last 2017 schedule for 2018 & 19 based on Quarter deliveries, not the monthly ones up to the end of 2017 to the June 2018 one based on your version.
My version? Not my version. I simply copied the one from TTC's website!

I and others have being doing quarter delivery based on the last 2017 schedule, with 27 to be delivery by June 29.
Where did TTC post this 2017 schedule based on deliveries, that has 27 for Q1? I only recall seeing an annual schedule previously. Or is this something you've come up with yourself?

You are a strong supporter for BBD, but I am not. If any other company was doing this order, my view would be the same as I have for BBD today.
Supporter? No, I just want my daily commute back to normal. And that's clearly going to happen years faster if Bombardier get's the next 60.

If I was in charge, a contract would have been awarded in 2016 for the extra 60, with the first prototype been here now or later this year and production cars starting to show up in 2019. Completion would be late 2020 or early 2021 by X company, other than BBD.
You are focusing on the past. And you are being overly optimistic about anyone else's ability to produce, with unrealistic timelines!

Wouldn't be surprised if we took the extra 60 from Bombardier and silently defer the additional 100 beyond that.
I wouldn't either. I almost wonder if the additional 100, was to provide some shock value to the board, more so to get the next 60, than the future 100.
 

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4408 was the car that had issues with the car on St Clair today

4466 looks like it will enter service on July, 1st as its sitting on track 2 in the yard.

Don't know what up with 4483 that should be the next car to see service, but sat in the yard in the same spot for over 24 hours and now sitting on track 1 inbound for a number of hours.

4484 looks like it being doing not stop testing the last 30 plus hours and currently up on St Clair. I guess with all the new arrival and more to come, time to get cars from test stage to service stage. Could see service by Wed at this rate, but sometime this week.

None of the rest have GPS turn on yet.
 

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4466 has enter service as a 504 after 17 days been here

4483 still sitting on the in bound track at the Barns where I last saw it
 
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I had thought that the TTC's plan was to have only Flexities on the 504 route as soon as possible and that this was already a fact on weekends. Not so yesterday when there were several old streetcars on the 504 route.
 

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As best I can read Transsee there are some Flexities on the 504 Dufferin/Greenwood-Queen branch today. 38 Flexities signed in. Given the weather it was not a good week to lose 4408, and hopefully CLRV 4041 (which has been resting for a few days) is just being held for weekday runs
 

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I had thought that the TTC's plan was to have only Flexities on the 504 route as soon as possible and that this was already a fact on weekends. Not so yesterday when there were several old streetcars on the 504 route.
The reorganization of 504/503/514 for the Broadview works has changed the mathematics a bit - and as I noted above there have been Flexities in Dufferin Loop (nominal CLRV branch) this morning
 

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As best I can read Transsee there are some Flexities on the 504 Dufferin/Greenwood-Queen branch today. 38 Flexities signed in. Given the weather it was not a good week to lose 4408, and hopefully CLRV 4041 (which has been resting for a few days) is just being held for weekday runs
Barely half the active fleet is signed in then. But it is Sunday/Holiday.
 

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The reorganization of 504/503/514 for the Broadview works has changed the mathematics a bit - and as I noted above there have been Flexities in Dufferin Loop (nominal CLRV branch) this morning
514 Flexities have been looping a t Dufferin for a long time now.
 

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514 Flexities have been looping a t Dufferin for a long time now.
The reorganization is Dundas West-Cherry which is essentially "elongated 514" so Flexities (since that keeps Cherry accessible). Dufferin Loop is a "truncated 504/extended 503" so CLRVs, and TTC have explicitly said the accessible part on Dufferin is deemed covered by the 29 Dufferin.
 

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504 is a mix bag as you have the Flexity looping at Cherry St and going to Dundas W. The 504 CLRV are using Queen and Kingston Rd Loops.

Opps!! 4434 looping at Woodbine and one using Dufferin

Number of cars increase from 7-11 am on Sunday and 4466 didn't get out until sometime after 7, considering it was still in the yard at 6.

4483 has been sitting in front of the doors for the last track to the south shortly after my last post and still there. The tracker is saying its been there the last 2 hours.
 

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Ok. So what is the damage to 4408? And when 4465 got banged up two months back, was that all fibre glass panels or was there structural work too?

If you bang up a Flexity severely enough, do you separate the modules and re-assemble it with a new module? Why scrap the other 4 when the frame is bent on one? Enquiring minds want to know.
 

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