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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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I have seen 501 flexitys that are not simply returning to Leslie - as they are cruising into the Beaches. I'm wondering if the stops got moved in May as they have moved up 501 on the priority list (as the stops were to be moved only once Flexities started serving the 501). So far I've only seen them on weekends though.
 

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I have seen 501 flexitys that are not simply returning to Leslie - as they are cruising into the Beaches. I'm wondering if the stops got moved in May as they have moved up 501 on the priority list (as the stops were to be moved only once Flexities started serving the 501). So far I've only seen them on weekends though.
Most likely 504 cars that are going to Victoria Park due to construction on Broadview.
 

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I have seen 501 flexitys that are not simply returning to Leslie - as they are cruising into the Beaches. I'm wondering if the stops got moved in May as they have moved up 501 on the priority list (as the stops were to be moved only once Flexities started serving the 501). So far I've only seen them on weekends though.
You will find new cars in testing using all of Queen St in the east from time to time.

With Broadview close, not surprise to see cars out in the east end on Queen using both loops. Then you have cars using Kingston Rd to Brigham Loop

The tracker is show 504 Flexity cars using Cherry St Loop.

As it stands as I type this, all new cars still in testing in the service bays, except 4483 thats in the yard waiting for space. 4485 still not tracking.

BBD has meet Q2 delivery schedule with the off loading of X (4486/87) car today at Hillcrest and could see an extra car if one (4486/87) is off loaded tomorrow. If not off loaded tomorrow, will become a Q3 car.
 

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You will find new cars in testing using all of Queen St in the east from time to time.

With Broadview close, not surprise to see cars out in the east end on Queen using both loops. Then you have cars using Kingston Rd to Brigham Loop

The tracker is show 504 Flexity cars using Cherry St Loop.

As it stands as I type this, all new cars still in testing in the service bays, except 4483 thats in the yard waiting for space. 4485 still not tracking.

BBD has meet Q2 delivery schedule with the off loading of X (4486/87) car today at Hillcrest and could see an extra car if one (4486/87) is off loaded tomorrow. If not off loaded tomorrow, will become a Q3 car.
It was 4487. I saw it Eastbound on Queen at Spadina today.
 

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It was 4487. I saw it Eastbound on Queen at Spadina today.
Thanks.

It help me and others who are tracking deliveries real day.
 

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Let me clarify... I've seen the past two saturdays around 9-9:30am two westbound in service flexities at Bellefaire in the beaches. I've also seen one on a Sunday going eastbound at Beech. You could tell they were in service as people where actively getting on/off them.
 

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4486 was off loaded a short well ago at Hillcrest.

This makes 28 cars so far this year that have been delivery and one more than schedule. Do we count this extra car as part of Q2 or arriving ahead of schedule for Q3??

With the arrival of 4486, TTC now has 6 cars in various testing stage. 4466 could enter service this weekend; 4483 & 4484 by the end of next week; 4485-4487 around July 15-20.

Took 17 days to get 4482 into service after arrival.

4485 still not tracking and 4483 still sitting in the yard. The rest are in the service bays.
 

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TTC is sure getting good at offloading those deliveries. Another one was set off last night and came off the flat car first thing this morning. Didn't get the number but if they are in sequence they would have 4485, 4486, and 4487 this week.

- Paul
 

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This makes 28 cars so far this year that have been delivery and one more than schedule. Do we count this extra car as part of Q2 or arriving ahead of schedule for Q3??

I am an annual total guy.....now that Q2 is over and the target of 27 is met we are measuring against the cumulative total at end of September (whatever that is) and we are already at 28.....and, honestly, looking forward to the day when we can rely on this continuing unabated so that we don’t have to treat each delivery like a papal visit ;)
 

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Most likely 504 cars that are going to Victoria Park due to construction on Broadview.
504 cars don't go to Victoria Park on weekends. They turn at Woodbine Loop. And every time I've been down there this week they've all been CLRVs.
I am an annual total guy.....now that Q2 is over and the target of 27 is met we are measuring against the cumulative total at end of September (whatever that is) and we are already at 28.....and, honestly, looking forward to the day when we can rely on this continuing unabated so that we don’t have to treat each delivery like a papal visit ;)
TTC report the target is for vehicles "Entered into Service", not deliveries. And it's 28. Though they should be close to meeting that, with 86 or 87 vehicles now arrived, compared to only 57 in-service at the end of 2017.

I'm not sure where this 27 number is coming from.
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504 cars don't go to Victoria Park on weekends. They turn at Woodbine Loop. And every time I've been down there this week they've all been CLRVs.
TTC report the target is for vehicles "Entered into Service", not deliveries. And it's 28. Though they should be close to meeting that, with 86 or 87 vehicles now arrived, compared to only 57 in-service at the end of 2017.

I'm not sure where this 27 number is coming from.
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You have posted here and elsewhere a schedule from Dec 2017 or about that calls for deliveries of 27 by Q2 compared to monthly delivery in the past. This is a revised schedule.

Talking to Andy in Dec and before then, he stated the schedule was based on delivery on TTC property, even if it takes BBD an extra month here to complete the car.

Since Rick is calling the shots these days, he change that schedule to what you post and BBD will not met it based on deliveries so far this year.

Based on delivery and in service for this year, TTC has received 28 cars, with 22 in service as of June 29. 4483 was last seen 11 hours ago by tracker out in the yard and the rest that are tracking are in the service bays. Assuming the rest are in the service bay as well, or could be in the yard.

As Rick has stated in his monthly report, he doesn't see BBD meeting current schedule for this year.

Regardless, TTC still short around 100 cars and thats piss poor on BBD end.
 

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You have posted here and elsewhere a schedule from Dec 2017 or about that calls for deliveries of 27 by Q2 compared to monthly delivery in the past. This is a revised schedule.
Click on the link. That schedule if from a June 2018 TTC Document, not December 2017.

Talking to Andy in Dec and before then, he stated the schedule was based on delivery on TTC property, even if it takes BBD an extra month here to complete the car.
I've no idea if Andy knew the answer, or if you correctly transcribed it.

What we do know, is that the end of December 31, there were 57 cars in service (56th entering service on December 28, and 57th on December 30).

We also know that 59 cars had been delivered (not including 4401) (58th arriving December 22 and 59th arriving December 27).

And we know that Bombardier had shipped 61 cars (60th and 61st both arrived Hillcrest by January 5).

If that table showed 59 or 61 by end of 2017, you might have a valid point. But it clearly says 57 for end of 2017. So it's clearly deliveries.

As Rick has stated in his monthly report, he doesn't see BBD meeting current schedule for this year.
Recently? Most recently TTC said Bombardier could meet 2019 target.

Regardless, TTC still short around 100 cars and thats piss poor on BBD end.
We all know the history here. Why go on about it endlessly? Bombardier's deliveries since Q3 2017 have been stellar. They've already delivered 28 this year after only delivering 29 last year. They delivered 13 in Q4 2017, 10 in Q1 2018, and 18 in Q2 2018.

To meet the 2018 target of 64 in service, they have to have 121 total delivered compared to the 87 currently delivered. That only required 34 more deliveries this year. It will be close, that's for sure - but they are currently on track. Not sure why you aren't celebrating the positive here, instead of dwelling in the past.

Which route do you ride every day? Are you suffering with bustitutions like I am on 506 every day?
 

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At the end of 2017, there were 59 cars on TTC property, excluding 4401. There were 2 cars in CP Yards Car 4459 was the last car off loaded in 2017 in order.

This means, deliveries is the key point and it based on being on TTC property, not in service or in CP yard.

There is a big different between the Last 2017 schedule for 2018 & 19 based on Quarter deliveries, not the monthly ones up to the end of 2017 to the June 2018 one based on your version.

I and others have being doing quarter delivery based on the last 2017 schedule, with 27 to be delivery by June 29. 28 has so far been delivery. 4486 was to be the 27th car for 2018, but we now have 4487. I believe 4487 happen as it was unsure what was going to happen to 4466 return date.

As it stands now, it taking 15-30 days to get a car ready to enter service compare to 10 days or about in 2016-17. Only 2 cars have enter service under 15 days this year so far.

As Andy stated to me in 2017 a number of times, he wasn't worry about unfinished cars showing up as delivery cars, since staff would be on hand to make sure BBD finish the car correctly and be on top of any issues preventing the car from been tested or enter service sooner, than later. With the longer on site to in service this year time frame, are more cars arriving unfinished and being finish here or a back log maintaining the existing new cars??

If Rich wants to go from deliveries to in service schedule for X cars, that a new ball game and not easy one to say X cars by month, quarter or year based on current time frame. 28 cars on site for 2018 Q2, but only 22 in service as I type this. Maybe 4466 will make June 30 for in service as #23 car.

Q4 could be a killer or maker for BBD, but that 5 month off at this time.

I use various routes based on my needs, but 506 has always been a bitch in the good of times and not going to get any better soon.

You are a strong supporter for BBD, but I am not. If any other company was doing this order, my view would be the same as I have for BBD today.

If I was in charge, a contract would have been awarded in 2016 for the extra 60, with the first prototype been here now or later this year and production cars starting to show up in 2019. Completion would be late 2020 or early 2021 by X company, other than BBD.

I will celebrate when the last car is on TTC property and BBD is history.
 

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