TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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^ Watching the tide roll away, yes. (The 2018 Great Lakes shipping season started this weekend through the Soo, btw.)

4472 just got named "Otis Redding".

If I'm hearing right, one (presumably 4471) will arrive at Hillcrest shortly and two more may have shipped, currently en route.

- Paul
 

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^ Watching the tide roll away, yes. (The 2018 Great Lakes shipping season started this weekend through the Soo, btw.)

4472 just got named "Otis Redding".

If I'm hearing right, one (presumably 4471) will arrive at Hillcrest shortly and two more may have shipped, currently en route.

- Paul

To those going "huh?".

 

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Looks like the payment machines onboard are reverting back to the old green P style machines. 4469 has been spotted on its burn in with both the current and old ones onboard.
EDIT: blurb in the CEO’s report confirms this.
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Looks like the payment machines onboard are reverting back to the old green P style machines. 4469 has been spotted on its burn in with both the current and old ones onboard.
EDIT: blurb in the CEO’s report confirms this.

That's very unfortunate. The newer ones have tap credit/debit which IMO is a huge usability win for infrequent transit users, especially visitors to the city. The only real benefit I recall of the old ones is that you could just insert a token directly and it would automatically print an adult fare, whereas the new machines require the user to press 'token' on the screen first, which is somehow a massive stumbling block based on my observations.

I guess once you can tap debit/credit directly on the presto readers (I believe that's the plan, yes?) this would be redundant, but there's no telling when that'll happen--I think they've said 2018, but I recall hearing 2017 and 2016 previously, so it might be well into the 2020s before it actually happens, and it's being removed until then.
 

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That's very unfortunate. The newer ones have tap credit/debit which IMO is a huge usability win for infrequent transit users, especially visitors to the city. The only real benefit I recall of the old ones is that you could just insert a token directly and it would automatically print an adult fare, whereas the new machines require the user to press 'token' on the screen first, which is somehow a massive stumbling block based on my observations.

I guess once you can tap debit/credit directly on the presto readers (I believe that's the plan, yes?) this would be redundant, but there's no telling when that'll happen--I think they've said 2018, but I recall hearing 2017 and 2016 previously, so it might be well into the 2020s before it actually happens, and it's being removed until then.
The only benefit is that there will be a machine that will have solid reliability compare to the current ones. In the short 3 months that they were used on Spadina back in 2014, I don’t recall it ever being down compared to the current ones. I would also assume that they’ve at least put a contactless reader onto the “new” machines.
 

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In the short 3 months that they were used on Spadina back in 2014, I don’t recall it ever being down compared to the current ones.

To be fair, that was a very short period, and there were what, 2 streetcars with them at the time? 3? Maybe 2-4 surface stops with them mounted? Not a big sample size or a long period of time. We'll see.
 

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I'm intrigued by the notes in that CEO report mentioned above. It states the only detailed schedule is for Q1.
I thought Bombardier had already commtted to 65 deliveries for 2018, with 17 of those for Q2?
 

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I'm intrigued by the notes in that CEO report mentioned above. It states the only detailed schedule is for Q1.
I thought Bombardier had already commtted to 65 deliveries for 2018, with 17 of those for Q2?
Yes ... and yes. Or something like that.

A detailed schedule would tell you which cars arrive which week. Not which year!
 

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Yes ... and yes. Or something like that.

A detailed schedule would tell you which cars arrive which week. Not which year!

I guess the reason I'm confused is that the document mentions there was a detailed report issued for Q1. I don't remember reading anything but the aggregate target figure of 11, which has no more details than the rest of the year. Maybe there have been more detailed internal documents that weren't made public or published here?
 
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4469 in service?
https://twitter.com/transsee/status/978384604544499713
(Edit: a CPTDB poster points out that 4468 also signed into 501 during testing)

Friends of ours that live beside the 512 claim the Flexities are significantly slower than the CLRVs, especially the doors. Is that view widely held?
There is a bit of a pause for the door-closing warning. Also a door will stay open if there is something in the way or someone presses the button. The latter can be disabled by the operator, though.
 

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4469 in service?
https://twitter.com/transsee/status/978384604544499713
(Edit: a CPTDB poster points out that 4468 also signed into 501 during testing)

Friends of ours that live beside the 512 claim the Flexities are significantly slower than the CLRVs, especially the doors. Is that view widely held?
4468 went into service Mar 21.
4469 Is out for testing on St Clair as a 501.
4470 is setting out in the yard.
4471 Unknown if it was off loaded today or where it is.

The Flexity are faster. As for the doors, it depends on the driver when and how they close them.
 

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