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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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What is he talking about??? there are no cars in the 4500 series having weld done. He needs to do his homework.

4441-66 are cars still to be sent for welds repairs and some have been based above and a page back,

TTC will not see any of the 7 cars out for welds repairs until 2022 with 2 maybe showing up in December,

TTC has 4 cars been worked on that have return from QC and hard to say when the one being here 40 days plus will re-enter service.

No clue when 4571 and 4578 will be ship from Thunder Bay and over 900 days since they left TTC property. Supposed to be return Q1 2021. Aug 13, 2017 was the last time they saw service and only a month old.

I and 2 others are on top of what is out for welds repair, date ship, date return, date re-entre service with one having more info on them.
 

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What is he talking about??? there are no cars in the 4500 series having weld done. He needs to do his homework.
They didn't say that, they just saying that every car above 4520 was in service. Although, it does look like they might have misread the row numbers as if you wanted to group it in 10s you could round to every car above 4510. From my reading of that chart it actually looks like every Flexity >=4504 is in service (I checked and confirmed that 4471 & 4478 are where I expect them to be to confirm my reading)

As for the welds, they just omit the 44xx on the 30-50, which (mostly) lines up with the data in the chart.

It is a bit of a challenge to read the chart for specific vehicle information. I think the target is casual observers who want to get a sense of vehicles available for service. Those of us lurking on forums and tracking deliveries are left wanting by this infographic.
 

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Only if there is funding for them. At this time there is no money in place other than for the current 13 on order. If money was found today, all 60 cars would be order ASP.

Toronto been screw from day one on having one supplier to build things for TTC than going to the market to get real bids on any tender. TTC keeps shooting themselves in the head by thinking they know best than the manufacture as well the pol's who sit on the Commission.

GM/CEO of TTC have not help the matter since the days of Dave Gunn or the short time frame for Andy.

It would be interesting to see what the final cost is for the new fleet after the last rebuilt cars is back in service for both TTC and BBD/Alstom compare to the contract price. The cost of the 13 extra cars will off set some of BBD/Alstom losses, let alone the other 47 once order.

One thing that needs to happen for the next fleet is to go duel end and remove various loops using stub ends.
You say that but they are all within their reliability standards.
And the problems are being fixed with the ones that have shoddy welds.
Frankly given the custom specifications for this legacy fleet they are doing pretty good.
You don't know if they went to Alstom with the citidas if they would be as reliable.
You need to understand that this network has more tight curves than most with some large hills. Good luck finding a vendor that will successfully build cars for such a network.
 

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Arriving Aug 31, 55 days ago, 4428 finally re-enter service today on route 511.

I thought it would enter service s few days ago while it was at Roncesvalles on the west side after spending time in the service bay.

It looked like it was going to do it Sunday as it had an in service arrow with no route. It ended up an hour later at the Barns after using Dundas to across the city.

It look like 4429 was also going to enter service today as well as it was at the front of the line for service cars, but at the end of the line on the service track.

Leslie Barns has 4429, 4430, 4431 4440 being service and should be in service by late Dec. with 4440 being the last one.

If I use 135 days for turn around, we will see cars around as follow

4441 Feb 04/22

4442 Dec 16/21

4443 Feb 22/22

4446 Dec 23/21

4450 Dec 31/21

4453 Jan 13/22
 

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I thought some of the information there was sourced from here (or very similar posts at the CPTDB forum).

For me, a more interesting question than what's where is ...

At the current rate, how long until we shop shipping cars for repairs - and when do we get them all back?

Though where the two flood-damaged cars got to is another question. It's been over 3 years now. Might it have been cheaper to just buy 62 new cars instead of 60?
 

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I have a feeling the 2 flood damage cars will be the test bed for the 60 cars to come starting in 2023 and they will see very modification to them that will be in the new cars. Do agree that you will be better off getting 2 cars than repair them, but not my call.

936 days for 4471 and 1006 days for 4478 so far.

The list of returning cars is a one things since I was asked for info on them. The turn around has been all over the place and those dates can be off the wall.

I have been reporting lately as what has arrived and has been loaded as well re-enter service with CPTDB confirming it with more detail info or correct some of the info. I do get info from there like others that gets posted in a thread. Not everyone use CPTDB or this board or someone else blog looking for info on and use the board only they use all the time.

As for the link, good info and could be weeks after cars arrive, depart or re-enter service when it is updated.

I have no answer when and where midlife rebuilt will take place and that is still 11 years off.
 

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After arriving Sept 23, 33 days ago, 4429 has re-enter service on 511
 

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Arriving Aug 31, 55 days ago, 4428 finally re-enter service today on route 511.

I thought it would enter service s few days ago while it was at Roncesvalles on the west side after spending time in the service bay.

It looked like it was going to do it Sunday as it had an in service arrow with no route. It ended up an hour later at the Barns after using Dundas to across the city.

It look like 4429 was also going to enter service today as well as it was at the front of the line for service cars, but at the end of the line on the service track.

Leslie Barns has 4429, 4430, 4431 4440 being service and should be in service by late Dec. with 4440 being the last one.

If I use 135 days for turn around, we will see cars around as follow

4441 Feb 04/22

4442 Dec 16/21

4443 Feb 22/22

4446 Dec 23/21

4450 Dec 31/21

4453 Jan 13/22

4441

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It was loaded at Hillcrest on Oct 5 and 2022 when it return

So...how's that "desperately" needed order for another 60 streetcars coming along?

With the 504 not allow west of Dufferin until 2022 and 501 west of Church along with ridership, TTC is ok until service resume on those 2 routes in 2022.. The last of the 60 cars are to arrive in 2025.

7 of 60 cars are for QQE and will not be needed until 2027-30 when the line opens.

2030 could be the year cars starting to see midlife rebuilt
 

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