TTC Cartography, Signage, and Wayfinding

[DSC]

I like the fact that the TTC bus and streetcar stops now all say which routes are served (about time too!!) BUT this ought to mean that this is accurate! Though the reorg of the 504 & 514 routes was clearly not done on the spur of the moment the signage is still, after 4+ weeks, wrong on the Stop signage. Long-term diversions are also poorly handled - it took weeks to have the stops for 503 on Wellington that will not be served for 8-9 months marked as "Out of Service", and, of course, the extra stops for the 503 on King are also unmarked. Clearly the TTC "silo" that deals with route changes does not talk to the TTC silo that deals with signage!

 

[asher__jo]

Was at Pickering GO Station today and noticed pilot signage installed. Included was the connecting bus service map:
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There are a couple of errors in terms of where things are on the west side. I plan to email Metrolinx to let them know.

Signage looks extremely similar to Translink

 

[Steve X]

I like the fact that the TTC bus and streetcar stops now all say which routes are served (about time too!!) BUT this ought to mean that this is accurate! Though the reorg of the 504 & 514 routes was clearly not done on the spur of the moment the signage is still, after 4+ weeks, wrong on the Stop signage. Long-term diversions are also poorly handled - it took weeks to have the stops for 503 on Wellington that will not be served for 8-9 months marked as "Out of Service", and, of course, the extra stops for the 503 on King are also unmarked. Clearly the TTC "silo" that deals with route changes does not talk to the TTC silo that deals with signage!

Normally a route supervisor goes out and puts up those Out of Service signs on stops. They don't even have a systematic way of doing things. It'll be nice to have a department to handle all the signage, especially for diversion notices but the expect the riders to look it up themselves.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Normally a route supervisor goes out and puts up those Out of Service signs on stops. They don't even have a systematic way of doing things. It'll be nice to have a department to handle all the signage, especially for diversion notices but the expect the riders to look it up themselves.

Unfortunately, with non-transit users on the TTC commissioner board, don't expect them to bring it up at a board meeting. Unless one of them reads (OMG!!) urbantoronto.ca.

 

[DSC]

Normally a route supervisor goes out and puts up those Out of Service signs on stops. They don't even have a systematic way of doing things. It'll be nice to have a department to handle all the signage, especially for diversion notices but they expect the riders to look it up themselves.

Route Supervisors (who are clearly not very successful at actually running routes!) may be able to deal with short-term diversions (and are PERHAPS the best people to do this) but the 504/514 change is permanent and the 503 is long-term and they REALLY need more than tattered paper signs that will (sooner or later) be torn off! My point was that now stops actually give route info, customers should be able to rely on what is written there.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

If we're talking new standards, are the vertical bus stop signs used by GTA agencies sacrosanct or would using flag style like in other cities be considered. Bus stop flags are way easier to spot from a distance.

Vancouver:

Winnepeg:

Ottawa:

 

[M II A II R II K]

Vintage TTC Map

 

[blaixx]

New subway + streetcar map

https://twitter.com/x/status/1095795070865788929

 

[W. K. Lis]

All streetcar routes should be 7 days a week, 6 AM to 1 AM. However, the 502 DOWNTOWNER and 503 KINGSTON ROAD are not. In addition, the 22 COXWELL bus should be replaced by streetcars, along with the 22A COXWELL (which runs in the evenings and weekends). The new COXWELL streetcar would be able to use the Coxwell Station, IF (and it's a big IF) they use the parking lots adjacent to the station.

From link.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

All streetcar routes should be 7 days a week, 6 AM to 1 AM. However, the 502 DOWNTOWNER and 503 KINGSTON ROAD are not. In addition, the 22 COXWELL bus should be replaced by streetcars, along with the 22A COXWELL (which runs in the evenings and weekends). The new COXWELL streetcar would be able to use the Coxwell Station, IF (and it's a big IF) they use the parking lots adjacent to the station.

From link.

As a matter of fact, 502 and 503 are obviously the ONLY two lines that don't operate 7 days a week.

 

[W. K. Lis]

As a matter of fact, 502 and 503 are obviously the ONLY two lines that don't operate 7 days a week.

See https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-streetcar-network.27667/post-1420328

 

[Leo_Chan]

How would GO lines be indicated on the map if/when they’re added? Obviously their lines should be thinner than the TTC lines, but would they indicate service levels as it’ll be impossible to maintain, or would it just have website you need to go to to check how frequent the service is and at what times.

 

[nfitz]

How would GO lines be indicated on the map if/when they’re added? Obviously their lines should be thinner than the TTC lines, but would they indicate service levels as it’ll be impossible to maintain, or would it just have website you need to go to to check how frequent the service is and at what times.

I can see that TTC would be reluctant to add any lines that weren't both TTC-fare and at least 15-minute frequencies.

So if the province meets all their past commitments, some of them could be added one day ...

 

[Streety McCarface]

The idea that the TTC and others have the choice of not including other transit services makes no sense. Even 30 minute frequencies on GO are significant and should probably have lines being featured.

Lines could be featured with thinner lines, etc. And this goes both ways. GO trains should definitely have better maps that show where the subway etc goes, especially as the number of transfers possible with Eglinton opening will increase significantly.

In Vienna this is the case, and in Tokyo, no matter the rail transit or the frequency, you'll get a vocal mention on JR lines (Other companies are usually not shown on maps, but they might show the company ("please transfer here for Keisei lines")). It shouldn't be difficult putting GO lines on the map.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

In Vienna this is the case, and in Tokyo, no matter the rail transit or the frequency, you'll get a vocal mention on JR lines (Other companies are usually not shown on maps, but they might show the company ("please transfer here for Keisei lines")). It shouldn't be difficult putting GO lines on the map.

On the main map, they now show what stations you can transfer to other companies at, I think they did it when they updated the newest version with the extension to Vaugn was added to them. They don't say which route but they do have the symbol for each one that is near by.