Yonge and Scollard | 154.8m | 46s | Cityzen | KPMB

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Well the City's Official Plan is far too restrictive. I have no issue with this density and height on this lot size.
 

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From the last GYRA newsletter

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GYRA hates this thing (as most things over 2 storeys).
 

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The proposed density is unreasonable and sets an ugly precedence no matter what NIMBYs have to say. Arrange something with the midrise condo next door or some heritage property to transfer density. I don't know. You may have to rezone those properties but, it still should be quicker than trying to pass this through. Oh right, it costs a lot money and has been an entirely unnecessary expenditure with our non restrictive process. You should see what other cities force developers to do to build a quarter to half the density being proposed here (For the sake of confusion, dense does not parallel with height)
 

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I have to agree, in my mind this proposal seems too built out to the site lines. I think rather then the height, it's the mass the bothers me. I do really like the architecture, just not on this tiny parcel. Maybe as it goes higher it could be more sculpted? Instead of worrying about sculpting the skyline heights, keep the height and pull back the floors as it goes up? I guess that would also be difficult though with the small floor plates.
 

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I have to disagree (recognizing these are all subjective judgments); personally, I much prefer tiny floorplates if the tower itself is aesthetically pleasing (which I believe to be the case here).

One of my major gripes with Planning is their slavishness to podium-and-point, which I often find to be much more overwhelming than very tall and narrow towers. I don't think that there's typically much of a difference from a passersby perspective between a 34- and a 54-storey building, and certainly not as much as the difference between a building with a very wide/bulky base than that with a much narrower base.

Further, in this case, I feel that the cut-out/cantilever starting above the third storey would be very effective in reducing the sense of bulk at grade, and that, for me, further mitigates any issues with the density being sought.
 
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I love the design too which is why I suggested transferring density from other sites to make it work. As it stands right now, the design and tiny floor plate are irrelevant when it comes allowing the proposed 35 to 40 FSI. It opens the door for other developers to build as dense. They could have much larger sites that allow for larger fatter buildings. That is how Toronto developers tend to build afterall. The only reason this is thin is because the site is so small. The community's amenities and infrastructure would be quickly overwhelmed at those residential densities.
 

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City Council in its meeting this week passed a Request for Directions motion pursuant to this development; there are a couple new details in the preamble:

The applicant has again revised the development proposal for 874-878 Yonge Street and 3-11 Scollard Street, reducing the overall height from 51 storeys to 46 storeys, and 179 metres to 154.8 metres. The gross floor area has been reduced from 243,234 metres to 220,529 metres. The revised plans, drawings and revised elevations, and revised shadow study are attached to this report as Attachments 1, and 2, and are on file with the City Clerk for the purpose of the City Council meeting of March 26, 27 and 28, 2018. These revisions were provided through the applicant's witness statements.

The purpose of this report is to request further instructions for the Ontario Municipal Board hearing that is scheduled to commence March 26, 2018.
 

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City Council in its meeting this week passed a Request for Directions motion pursuant to this development; there are a couple new details in the preamble:

The applicant has again revised the development proposal for 874-878 Yonge Street and 3-11 Scollard Street, reducing the overall height from 51 storeys to 46 storeys, and 179 metres to 154.8 metres. The gross floor area has been reduced from 243,234 metres to 220,529 metres. The revised plans, drawings and revised elevations, and revised shadow study are attached to this report as Attachments 1, and 2, and are on file with the City Clerk for the purpose of the City Council meeting of March 26, 27 and 28, 2018. These revisions were provided through the applicant's witness statements.

The purpose of this report is to request further instructions for the Ontario Municipal Board hearing that is scheduled to commence March 26, 2018.

GFA of 220,529 sq. meters? not.
 

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City Council in its meeting this week passed a Request for Directions motion pursuant to this development; there are a couple new details in the preamble:

The applicant has again revised the development proposal for 874-878 Yonge Street and 3-11 Scollard Street, reducing the overall height from 51 storeys to 46 storeys, and 179 metres to 154.8 metres. The gross floor area has been reduced from 243,234 metres to 220,529 metres. The revised plans, drawings and revised elevations, and revised shadow study are attached to this report as Attachments 1, and 2, and are on file with the City Clerk for the purpose of the City Council meeting of March 26, 27 and 28, 2018. These revisions were provided through the applicant's witness statements.

The purpose of this report is to request further instructions for the Ontario Municipal Board hearing that is scheduled to commence March 26, 2018.

There are now two continuations scheduled for the 19th and 23rd of April.
 

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