The Well | 174.03m | 46s | RioCan | Hariri Pontarini

[Bjays92]

Could I ask why you think the project is a mess? I know there was disappointment over the tower glazing and the loss of the movie theatre but it seems like a pretty well thought out mixed used project.

Retail, office, high rises, mid rises, open space, unique and varying materials in the architecture. And adding a lot of value to what was a wasteland at a major intersection.

By I mess I mean it isnt visually cohesive. The way the main building is staggered isn't symmetrical, theres the weird staircase up the one side, the stripes of black glass along the front, the little pop out by the first setback and that's all just with the first tower.

Like I said I still think itll turn out well, and end up being one of those ultra unique buildings. I still see it as a mess though. Frankly the greenish glass doesnt really bother me at all.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

By I mess I mean it isnt visually cohesive. The way the main building is staggered isn't symmetrical, theres the weird staircase up the one side, the stripes of black glass along the front, the little pop out by the first setback and that's all just with the first tower.

Like I said I still think itll turn out well, and end up being one of those ultra unique buildings. I still see it as a mess though. Frankly the greenish glass doesnt really bother me at all.

This building is an homage to Lloyds of London - but it is not that unique (conventional concrete structure, curtainwall envelope, etc), unlike the former. The main unconventional thing (relative to other office towers in Toronto) is the side core with the bank of panoramic elevators.

AoD

 

[daptive]

By I mess I mean it isnt visually cohesive. The way the main building is staggered isn't symmetrical, theres the weird staircase up the one side, the stripes of black glass along the front, the little pop out by the first setback and that's all just with the first tower.

Like I said I still think itll turn out well, and end up being one of those ultra unique buildings. I still see it as a mess though. Frankly the greenish glass doesnt really bother me at all.

Ah you mean visually, I totally agree with you. The green glass bothers me but the faux cross beams bother me more. I’m personally more excited to be inside than to look at it from the outside.

 

[CanadianDriver]

By rough estimate, would the building height be at the tip of the crane?

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

By rough estimate, would the building height be at the tip of the crane?

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I think you have overestimated how many floors the tower has left - it's 3/5 done.

AoD

 

[ushahid]

It will be till red mark

 

[3Dementia]

By rough estimate, would the building height be at the tip of the crane?

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The Well (X-brace volumes)

If you use the render as a guide, there are 8 "X"-brace volumes above the podium plus the highest volume is extra height. This pic has 3 volumes clad... so about 4 more like the cladding in the pic, and a 5th volume that's taller.

Another way to look at it: we see roughly two more "volumes" of unclad concrete floors... so think 3 more volumes on top of that (the highest being extra tall).

If that's your photo I could scribble something for you tomorrow (busy tonight). Either way it's going to look much taller from this pov than I would have thought.

 

[CanadianDriver]

Thanks for the comments! Indeed overestimated in my photo.

 

[Red Mars]

Weekend pics

 

[3Dementia]

By rough estimate, would the building height be at the tip of the crane?

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With some help from HPA and UT, I think it might look a bit like this (obviously the condo will break up the mass of the wide west face of the tower from this pov):

 

[Yegger]

The elevator core / stairwell is my favourite aspect because it brings the edge to what is otherwise a watered down attempt at structural expressionism. I think the overall complex will still be great but as a standalone structure leaves to be desired

 

[daptive]

With some help from HPA and UT, I think it might look a bit like this (obviously the condo will break up the mass of the wide west face of the tower from this pov):

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From this angle, it looks way taller than what I was expecting. This is going to be visible looking North on Spadina for a very long time, already stands out from the lake.

 

[3Dementia]

For the heck of it I dropped in a placeholder condo.... the condo is actually only 7 metres shorter than the office tower, so it likely would look even taller than this from CanadianDriver's angle.

At least you can see how it breaks up the width of the office's west face from this pov.

Apologies to new owners for removing their balconies

 

[CanadianDriver]

@3Dementia sweet renderings! Thanks for sharing

 

[3Dementia]

I think you have overestimated how many floors the tower has left - it's 3/5 done.
AoD

Think you may be over-estimating at 3/5 done, given the extra height in the last volume. Very roughly, I would guess it's only 2.879568/5ths done.