Though normally there isn't the green streetcar signal to create extra confusion. This could so easily be changed to use a non-green signal for the streetcars, which would reduce the number of accidents.People can run reds anywhere.
Though normally there isn't the green streetcar signal to create extra confusion. This could so easily be changed to use a non-green signal for the streetcars, which would reduce the number of accidents.
Overdramatic, much? I'm talking about Queens Quay aka the thread we're posting in with the new streetcars. Not buses on Eglinton. A place where it IS crawling with tourists. I just happened to get on at Union before I used this route otherwise I would have had my token ready and not known what the heck to do either and I've lived downtown for 12 years. It boils down to why aren't there places for tickets/tokens at the front doors where tourists load instead of somewhere near the back where the locals with POP load. It makes no sense. Its a simple thing and doesn't equate to your overly exaggerated "nanny state" comment. Smh. I forgot that everyone should be a knowledgeable Toronto transit nerd, even people who are visiting for the first time.
Not as confusing. Was that recent, or did I miss it on my trips down 509 in June and July?Those green signals have since been replaced by green arrows pointing straight ahead. No longer that confusing.
Not as confusing. Was that recent, or did I miss it on my trips down 509 in June and July?
Still ... they don't have to use green. The white bars work well for left turns.
That is indeed the standard the world over.I think it was late July/early August. It was in Waterfront Toronto's update a few pages back. Agree about the white bar though, especially when placed on top of the signal, where it absolutely cannot be confused with a green turn signal.
No one is confused. Imagine if you did this in Toronto. There would be identical sets of green, yellow, and red lights side-by-side with wordy text above each one.
Ontario traffic code desperately needs an update in this area. With the abundance of BRT/LRT being funded, it would seem now (if not 10 years ago) is a great time to make these changes.
The vertical white bar is already allowed, and the recent update to the traffic code added bicycle symbols.Ontario traffic code desperately needs an update in this area. With the abundance of BRT/LRT being funded, it would seem now (if not 10 years ago) is a great time to make these changes.
Every driver shall obey every traffic control signal that applies to the lane that he or she is in and, for greater certainty, where both a traffic control signal that is not a bicycle traffic control signal and a bicycle traffic control signal apply to the same lane,
(a) a person riding or operating a bicycle in that lane shall obey the bicycle traffic control signal;
Exception – white vertical bar indication
(19.1) Despite subsection (18), a driver operating a bus or street car on a scheduled transit authority route approaching a traffic control signal showing a white vertical bar indication may, with caution, proceed forward or turn right or left. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (13).
I fully agree. While I enthusiastically support the Idaho Stop for stop signs on side streets, I think running a red light in a major city is unacceptable. (The one exception being intersections where you are unable to trigger the green from a side street with a bike). I would very much like to see bikes ticketed for running reds. Unfortunately, I seem to only know cyclists that have warned or ticketed for slowly rolling through stop signs.for some cyclists, it's not a matter of being confused. they just don't want to stop.
I don't think it's the majority, but even a small number of cyclists failing to obey will cause big problems on a busy day.
Transit priority signals
Traffic and pedestrians must yield to public transit vehicles at a transit priority signal. The round signal is on top of a regular traffic signal and shows a white vertical bar on a dark background. This allows transit vehicles to go through, turn right or left, while all conflicting traffic faces a red light.