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UtakataNoAnnex said:
I'm not sure I agree with what it may house...but I'd say that artificial rock/cliff outcrop could end up being one of the 7 Wonders of Urban Canada if they pull that off right. That's pretty fracking amazing, IMO.
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Perhaps we will get the option for some rock climbing activities. Can't think of many other cities that offer outdoor rock climbing
 
ciceror said:
Perhaps we will get the option for some rock climbing activities. Can't think of many other cities that offer outdoor rock climbing
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I suppose that depends of the liability coverage of such a thing. But yes, that's was one of the first things that came to mind though.
 
Nice place for rock climbing ;)

image credit of @HousingNowTO

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ushahid said:
blogTO on the topic. 😀
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BlogTO, always the dumbest takes. Sure is a lot of park in that picture (but, again, this is how the City has mis-represented things, as if these guys aren't including any park in their proposal. No one was ever putting high-rises over the rail tracks)!

WislaHD said:
You're right in everything you say, but I was actually thinking that the park doesn't have to be so elevated above grade level if the parking level was removed.

I am probably missing something crucial engineering-wise, however.
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It's been a couple of years since this was all fresh but I think you're right. For starters, I believe CN has requirements of how high off the tracks they have to be. The "cliff" they're creating along Front is the downside to that but at least as far as I recall, the parking is something they're able to do because of that; it's not that they raised the height to fit in the parking.
 
ciceror said:
Perhaps we will get the option for some rock climbing activities. Can't think of many other cities that offer outdoor rock climbing
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I've always loved this example of parking garage facade cladding in Tennessee:

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Broadeaves said:
Here's a loose comparable (note: in USD and buildings and grounds designed on an international oligarchical scale)
Hudson Yards in New York which decked over the LIRR rail yards.
HY: $25 billion project and covers 11 ha
that's $2.27b per hectare
$6 Billion of HY was funded through city and State
If Rail Deck Park footprint is 8 ha (confirm?) that comes to $18 b to construct deck, public spaces and fancy buildings... if we use HY as model
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If you do the calculations at $1600 per sq ft for the residential and 1.5B for the office and commercial the value of this whole development would be around 5.5B , unfortunately Toronto is not NY.
 
ciceror said:
Well, i'll be damned, Looking at the promo video, at the 26 second mark you can see people rock climbing in the bottom left of this cropped photo, I don't see any harnesses though

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Then again, it looks like liability coverage may not be an issue at all here... 😲
 
I can see that rock climbing cliff they have proposed in the photo up above. Is going to tagged like crazy by the masses. Creating a dirty slum looking park when they get their hands on it!
 
WislaHD said:
You're right in everything you say, but I was actually thinking that the park doesn't have to be so elevated above grade level if the parking level was removed.

I am probably missing something crucial engineering-wise, however.
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The idea is that the trusses to span the tracks will be high enough that between their lower extent (which has to clear the future electrical service over the tracks) and their upper extent (on which the deck can rest), there will be enough space to create a servicing and parking level. The space will be there anyway, and the buildings will have to be serviced, and as others have pointed out, zero parking for 2,500 units is not really possible yet, so… use that space between the trusses for parking.

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interchange42 said:
The idea is that the trusses to span the tracks will be high enough that between their lower extent (which has to clear the future electrical service over the tracks) and their upper extent (on which the deck can rest), there will be enough space to create a servicing and parking level. The space will be there anyway, and the buildings will have to be serviced, and as others have pointed out, zero parking for 2,500 units is not really possible yet, so… use that space between the trusses for parking.

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This is exactly what I was trying to say earlier :)
you can see it in the cross-section below but, as said above, they're not really making space for parking so much as they are putting it within otherwise dead space in the support structure. Pretty clever, really...

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And as for those who think all this new open space adds up to little more than a glorified boardwalk. Shrug.
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