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I personally do not understand the opposition to a casino. When I say this I am not endorsing one, nor am I suggesting that their are people who aren't negatively impacted by gambling. But I am saying that casinos are well within the bounds of reasonable human activities and as such a moritorium on them is, I feel, in 2012 a rather archaic notion. A casino moritorium is up there with prohibition or ban on sunday shopping. It's not that banning drinking or making people go to church and take a day off with their family aren't necessarily benefitial initiatives, it's that they long ago failed the congruency test with our social values. This issue, and our 2012 proponents, harkens back fondly to the Toronto of old where planners concerned themselves with discouraging young women from living alone and the moral outrages that this would certainly foster.
 
junctionist said:
It should continue to be an attraction for youth in addition to new uses. We're not gaining many children's attractions as a city, and a lot of people have fond memories of the place growing up.
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I dont know about that..i would do something new and exciting with the Toronto Islands for youth/kids...I also see that place all going downhill lately.
 
I don't believe I said I was against casinos.... and I'm not morally opposed to casinos themselves, only the running of them by governments. Let the private secter run them, and leave the regulating of them to the government. Done.

... and my objection to a casino in Toronto is only because I don't think it's going to be the big tourist magnet/waterfront icon that some here believe it would be. There are far better uses for the site we are discussing.
 
The province can always allow a casino wherein the benefits go directly to the city (imagine that).

That thought aside, a casino will not occupy a significant portion of the waterfront. The problem would be parking. Unless there was a multi-level parking structure associated with it, the risk is getting a casino surrounded by asphalt.
 
gristle said:
The province can always allow a casino wherein the benefits go directly to the city (imagine that).

That thought aside, a casino will not occupy a significant portion of the waterfront. The problem would be parking. Unless there was a multi-level parking structure associated with it, the risk is getting a casino surrounded by asphalt.
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Parking will be an issue. I'd very much like the existing parking lots to become something more, but that would obviously exacerbate the situation. Going underground like at Canada Square at Harbourfront might be the solution.
 
Casino, Casino, Casino!!!!! Toronto needs a real Casino and this is a great place to build it. Put some crazy hotels there, some crazy Opera house (Hello Sydney). Develop more condos around it and my investors will be drueling!!!

My investors also love to invest in Casinos, but my returns are better!
 
I like the idea of the huge indoor "beach" ensconced by a glass "bubble" (like a terrarium) with lush vegetation year round. It's only possible to swim in Lake Ontario for about two months during the year. I could also see a world-class museum operating in partnership with universities and companies from sectors such as pharma/life sciences, tech, and aerospace to showcase the latest innovations and ground-breaking research to come out of Canada.
 
junctionist said:
Parking will be an issue. I'd very much like the existing parking lots to become something more, but that would obviously exacerbate the situation. Going underground like at Canada Square at Harbourfront might be the solution.
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Or centralize the underground parking at the Ex - easier and cheaper to co-locate them with the casino or other large construction projects.

uptown:

The idea of a all weather beach/natatorium is kind of neat. Something conceptually along the lines of this perhaps?

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/projects/1438/default.aspx

No glass - too heavy - use ETFE instead. Easier to clean, highly insulating, etc.

AoD
 
uptown said:
I like the idea of the huge indoor "beach" ensconced by a glass "bubble" (like a terrarium) with lush vegetation year round. It's only possible to swim in Lake Ontario for about two months during the year. I could also see a world-class museum operating in partnership with universities and companies from sectors such as pharma/life sciences, tech, and aerospace to showcase the latest innovations and ground-breaking research to come out of Canada.
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I think the bubble beach idea is brilliant, and to my knowledge original.
 
The government takes no responsibility in the matter of Ontario Place' demise. You cannot expect attendance to keep up, when the place is falling down. Its due to a complete a lack of investment and maintenance that we are faced with this situation of it having to be shuttered.

I understand that with the coming revitalization of the park, that we may actually see residential, commercial and hotel upon these lands - one can only imagine the prices residences on this parcel could ultimately fetch!

pcinco
 
p5connex said:
The government takes no responsibility in the matter of Ontario Place' demise. You cannot expect attendance to keep up, when the place is falling down. Its due to a complete a lack of investment and maintenance that we are faced with this situation of it having to be shuttered.

I understand that with the coming revitalization of the park, that we may actually see residential, commercial and hotel upon these lands - one can only imagine the prices residences on this parcel could ultimately fetch!

pcinco
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You're absolutely right, Ontario governments are to blame for the falling attendance. They will blame everything else except their own mismanagement. You need to invest money to make money, yet McGuinty wouldn't even give the floating pods a simple paint job to make them look presentable. It's sad what they did to a once great park.
 
Torontovibe said:
You're absolutely right, Ontario governments are to blame for the falling attendance. They will blame everything else except their own mismanagement. You need to invest money to make money, yet McGuinty wouldn't even give the floating pods a simple paint job to make them look presentable. It's sad what they did to a once great park.
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I don't blame McGuinty here. Revitalizing Ontario Place has been on this government's radar for a good 7 or 8 years now (maybe since they took over the government), but simply slabbing a bit of paint on the building won't cut it. Why spend money on minimal cosmetic improvements when they've known all along that a large-scale overhaul is needed? It'd be like fixing some rust on a car that has no engine.
 
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Club district = Alcohol
Surface Parking = Cars
Alcohol + Cars = dead people

Factor in the lack of public transit, and the isolation of the location, and it doesnt seem like a great idea at all....that is unless transit service makes the area more accessible
 
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