innsertnamehere
Superstar
Doesn't really need to go north of Bloor on the west end, at least any time soon. If you ask me it needs to go from Dundas West to Finch and Don Mills.. that is a massive project in itself, no need to push it further.
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salsa
Senior Member
In his new op-ed, mayor Tory wants to convince you that that's not what's happening.
And of course, he never passes up the opportunity to plug in his SmartTrack.
Full article: http://www.metronews.ca/views/toron...-relief-is-on-the-way-can-we-speed-it-up.html
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
To build the Relief Line, they would need people. Not ordinary people, but SKILLED people. Do you know what ingredients go into making concrete, for example? Why does the concrete in the Pantheon in Rome able to last two thousand years without rebar, but the concrete in the Gardiner falls apart?
Want a good paying job? Get educated in construction, else they'll have to import the skilled workers to do that work.
See https://www.ontariocolleges.ca/en/programs/professions-and-trades/construction-building-renovation
Want a good paying job? Get educated in construction, else they'll have to import the skilled workers to do that work.
See https://www.ontariocolleges.ca/en/programs/professions-and-trades/construction-building-renovation
TheTigerMaster
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A proper response to the first question would be “we’re going to dedicate extra funds to expedite the DRL”, rather than doubling down on his lies. But Tory can’t help himself. I’d never expect better from him.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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I still have a copy. I am not sure how different it is from the final eBook that is available for a price.
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I have the book as well, and I seem to recall that it’s different than the online edition.
steveintoronto
Superstar
lol...you know, that's a topic in itself, and let me remind some that the CN Tower was built almost entirely by imported talent. (A disproportionate amount from Oz)
As for how to make concrete...lol...for anyone involved in masonry, let alone poured concrete, the topic right now is using "flexible concrete". Concrete isn't the challenge, building and running boring machines is. Even New York had to import expertise to do that, but the Sand Hogs made sure the grunt was from New York, not even New Jersey.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Thanks for heads-up on that. Oh man...
"We're proud to say that work on the Relief Line is being done right now because we've taken action to get this project, along with Toronto's entire transit network plan, built." By whom? Who to believe, Keesmaat or them. It's a no brainer...I skimmed through the rest of it, it's full of assumptions and presumed outcomes.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
Extending the Y/S line so they continue after Union either east or west would be a horrible idea. Union is already the best served transit centre in the country and with RER that will only multiply. You would be adding more service to a centre that doesn't need it and by doing so you are not building transit where it is desperately needed...........Queen.
RER will have stops along the current rail corridor in the inner city ie CityPlace, Liberty Village so they don't need subway stops to boot bleeding off each other's ridership.
RER will have stops along the current rail corridor in the inner city ie CityPlace, Liberty Village so they don't need subway stops to boot bleeding off each other's ridership.
steveintoronto
Superstar
You've just answered your own self-made conundrum. The Relief Line is not only to relieve the subway, if done right, it relieves Union too. This is one of the reasons that Metrolinx are now deeply involved in this, and with the change in how RER is to manifest, Union will see even more relief along with the YUS system and Line 2.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
In order to properly relieve Union, you need the Relief Line South and the Relief Line West. Both of which will (most likely) intersect with Lakeshore corridors to have new GO stations.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Fully agreed! And as an extrapolated inversion of that, for what it would cost to modify the subway and Union to accept this 'overload demand' (see note later), it would be virtually as the same cost and vastly more flexible to combine the costs of doing both, and build an entirely separate overlay on both, *connecting at major stations* of course.
Note: TTC ridership numbers are down, GO number are up. If you were to finance relief, which demand would you cater to? I leave it at that for this forum for now, save that I'm still thinking on @ShonTron 's weeks earlier suggestion of utilizing a new platform level stack at Spadina for a Spadina RL leg from downtown. That wouldn't preclude a westerly extension from the core at a later date.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
GO transit has benefited from significant financial investment, while the provincial government has been neglecting the TTC network for over 40 years. If we had provincial governance that treated Toronto commuters with half the respect they deserve, TTC ridership would be much higher.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
That time John Tory campaigned against the Relief Line:
(Skip to 12 min, 16 sec)
(Skip to 12 min, 16 sec)
steveintoronto
Superstar
The City has been neglecting the TTC. The province has been paying an amount, but with the City not matching it, we get situations like this:
Toronto set to get more than half of feds' transit funds allocated to Ontario
And then:
Toronto transit funding is great news, right? Not so fast
Toronto, arguably rightly-so, gets more transit money per capita from the province and feds than any other Ontario city. Let me be clear: I believe Toronto should get more, but Toronto *really* hasn't helped its own case by spending it wildly and without logic. It makes sense that QP will be allocating money for transit more through provincial agencies than Toronto ones.
Let's just hope that ML, 'Under New Management' spends that far more wisely than Toronto has. ML has a terrible record too, but there's clear signs of hope. A lot more than can be said for Toronto Council and Mayor.