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[DSC]

I was browsing ToInView and saw this map overlay.

The green area shaded is all described as:
Project Metrolinx Review Zone
Location Queen Street, Pape Avenue, Don Mills Road. Near: Dufferin Street
Details Metrolinx will review all applications within this zone and advise the City of potential conflicts with the transit project construction
Duration 2021 - 2030
Status Active

They certainly are getting into the weeds!!

 

[generalcanada]

I was browsing ToInView and saw this map overlay.
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The green area shaded is all described as:
Project Metrolinx Review Zone
Location Queen Street, Pape Avenue, Don Mills Road. Near: Dufferin Street
Details Metrolinx will review all applications within this zone and advise the City of potential conflicts with the transit project construction
Duration 2021 - 2030
Status Active

They certainly are getting into the weeds!!

whats with the portlands area? didnt think they were involved with the qqe at all

 

[DSC]

whats with the portlands area? didnt think they were involved with the qqe at all

They use same colour for Waterfront Toronto but the "crescent" is all ML.

 

[drum118]

whats with the portlands area? didnt think they were involved with the qqe at all

ML effect the Cherry St Line to the Port Lands and current delay until 2035

 

[grammin]

ML effect the Cherry St Line to the Port Lands and current delay until 2035

Is this for the King St Streetcar extension as well or just the Queens Key West extension?

Hopefully once they see how many cars are headed into that area next summer when the parks open, they'll change their mind.

 

[drum118]

Is this for the King St Streetcar extension as well or just the Queens Key West extension?

Hopefully once they see how many cars are headed into that area next summer when the parks open, they'll change their mind.

The current QQE extension plan is from Bay to Cherry St, over the Keating Channel to Commissioner and east to an loop before the Mouth of The Don.

The original plan was to be an Parliament loop by 2014 the was underfunded by TTC and hasn't got off the ground since approved in 2010. In 2019 until early 2022, Parliament loop was to be drop and take the line to the Cherry St Loop until ML said it would interfere with the OL construction.

The plan the public will see in April is based on what been posted to date so far.

As for the Cherry St extension to the QQE, the earliest I can see that happening is 2035 if there is funds to do it. Until the OL is completed and the area is rebuilt, the extension can't happen.

No idea what King St Extension is as there never been an plan for it unless you are thinking the Cherry St extension is it. There has been an plan from day one for having the Cherry St line extended into the Portland going back as far as 2004. Even the approved 2008/10 EA for Cherry St call for it as a future extension to the line. The Cherry St Line was delayed by the Pan Am Games by 2 years.

 

[kEiThZ]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640801946813489154

This guy routinely proves his worst critics right. Still fighting mode wars from 20 years ago. This time with a call to kill the DRL. Insane.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640801946813489154

This guy routinely proves his worst critics right. Still fighting mode wars from 20 years ago. This time with a call to kill the DRL. Insane.

It's totally bizarre how the DRL was never his priority - even though it is probably the transit line with the strongest case going for it. In any case, daddy is paying for it.

AoD

 

[innsertnamehere]

Officials bury rising costs of Ontario Line, cite concern about ‘further public discussion’ | Globalnews.ca

Government documents obtained by Global News show information about the rising costs of Toronto's new subway line was labelled 'contentious' and withheld from publication.

globalnews.ca

Global news is continuing on this tirade that the OL Is wildly over budget - it simply isn't.

This article they at least acknowledge that the $19 billion figure includes operating costs, though still conflate it as budget overruns. Not sure how that logic is working, as the article clearly mentions that the $19 billion includes 30 years of operating the line while the original $10.9 billion figure did not, nor do any major infrastructure projects typically include operating costs in their construction budgets..

The way things are tracking right now, the OL will have a capital cost of between $11 and $13 billion, depending on where the last contracts land. That's indeed over the $10.9 billion original stated budget, but a much more marginal increase vs. the 70% they are claiming.

The OL is likely over the original budget, but that original budget was prepared before the 30% runup in construction costs through the pandemic. I don't think any politician is to blame for that, and it is most certainly not 70% over budget.

 

[Towered]

Inflation or not, it's long overdue and needs to be built now. It won't be cheaper in the future if we delay further.

 

[robmausser]

Officials bury rising costs of Ontario Line, cite concern about ‘further public discussion’ | Globalnews.ca

Government documents obtained by Global News show information about the rising costs of Toronto's new subway line was labelled 'contentious' and withheld from publication.

globalnews.ca

Global news is continuing on this tirade that the OL Is wildly over budget - it simply isn't.

This article they at least acknowledge that the $19 billion figure includes operating costs, though still conflate it as budget overruns. Not sure how that logic is working, as the article clearly mentions that the $19 billion includes 30 years of operating the line while the original $10.9 billion figure did not, nor do any major infrastructure projects typically include operating costs in their construction budgets..

The way things are tracking right now, the OL will have a capital cost of between $11 and $13 billion, depending on where the last contracts land. That's indeed over the $10.9 billion original stated budget, but a much more marginal increase vs. the 70% they are claiming.

The OL is likely over the original budget, but that original budget was prepared before the 30% runup in construction costs through the pandemic. I don't think any politician is to blame for that, and it is most certainly not 70% over budget.

I cant stand misinformation in news like this these days. Its becoming a huge issue. News media needs to be reformed. We need to be able to sue news outlets everytime they do stuff like this easily so they stop.

 

[kEiThZ]

It's totally bizarre how the DRL was never his priority - even though it is probably the transit line with the strongest case going for it. In any case, daddy is paying for it.

AoD

I hope this stops the sanctification of David Miller among so many left learning transit activists. We're seeing his true colours now. This was less about transit for him than gentrification of the inner suburbs. He's not an ally for transit advocates.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I hope this stops the sanctification of David Miller among so many left learning transit activists. We're seeing his true colours now. This was less about transit for him than gentrification of the inner suburbs.

It follows on the 80s ONDP tradition.

AoD

 

[robmausser]

It follows on the 80s ONDP tradition.

AoD

Yep, Jack Layton, a beloved lefty was 100% in favour of the Sheppard Subway, and no subways downtown. He and other NDPers at the time wanted Toronto to expand outward and to stop gentrification in the city core. At the time was a big economic business boom for Toronto (all those business towers downtown) and the NDP being socialist saw them as a threat and wanted them to exist up at Sheppard.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Yep, Jack Layton, a beloved lefty was 100% in favour of the Sheppard Subway, and no subways downtown. He and other NDPers at the time wanted Toronto to expand outward and to stop gentrification in the city core. At the time was a big economic business boom for Toronto (all those business towers downtown) and the NDP being socialist saw them as a threat and wanted them to exist up at Sheppard.

Yep, it was bit of an unholy alliance between the suburban mayors (Mel in particular) and Jack et al.

AoD