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Which one is this?
This is the bridge I'm talking about. Could it be more utilitarian? Not much if you are building a single span bridge to cover that weight and distance. It is a basic arch bridge following a standard pattern that has had little thought put into it on how it fits into its surroundings and the East Harbour station. I wouldn't be surprised if they chose a single span bridge to avoid road interruptions, impacting the river flood protections, and potentially utilities, then someone looked at the single span bridge and thought it looked nice.

If they really wanted to do a stunning bridge they couldn't do it without considering what is already there and either decide to remove some of the industrial looking eyesores that are there or finding a way to hide them with design. I don't feel like an architect was involved here.

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In this case I'm glad they didn't just say, hey it's a drab area, let's not make an effort. The design is at least benign.

My minimal knowledge of design says that when the surroundings are as drab as they are here, one has to do something very bright and flamboyant to pull the eye and mind away from the clutter. I don't see this design doing that. It's tasteful and slightly elegant, but the effect is bland.

Sometimes it's worth going with granite and marble, sometimes an Ikea kitchen is just fine. This strikes me as an Ikea kitchen impact at the granite price.

- Paul
 

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In this case I'm glad they didn't just say, hey it's a drab area, let's not make an effort. The design is at least benign.

My minimal knowledge of design says that when the surroundings are as drab as they are here, one has to do something very bright and flamboyant to pull the eye and mind away from the clutter. I don't see this design doing that. It's tasteful and slightly elegant, but the effect is bland.

Sometimes it's worth going with granite and marble, sometimes an Ikea kitchen is just fine. This strikes me as an Ikea kitchen impact at the granite price.

- Paul
It is a somewhat drab area right now but the Soap Factory will, eventually, become East Harbour https://urbantoronto.ca/database/projects/east-harbour Not so drab then and if the proposed bridge design is well executed it looks quite suitable to me (maybe in GO Green to pay homage to the WT bridges further south!)
 

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New TOC page is up for Gerrard.

 

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New TOC page is up for Gerrard.

So happy to see the mall get redeveloped. This is going to be a really nice and convenient neighbourhood once the OL opens.
 

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Here are the bridges for the GO tracks at the same location as the proposed arched bridge.
THESE are utilitarian.
Likewise, the proposed Ontario Line bridge could just have been another series of girder spans, but isn't.

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Given that the Ontario Line is the one subway project the government has been adamant on value-engineering, I'd be pleasantly surprised if the bridge was anything but utilitarian.

Hey at least it's a value-engineered automated light metro and not a value-engineered LRT with grade crossings.
 

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So happy to see the mall get redeveloped. This is going to be a really nice and convenient neighbourhood once the OL opens.
It was inevitable given that some of it is in the way of the construction.

A bigger question though, is the future of Gerrard Square. I'm surprised it's not part of this. Presumably owned by a Tory backer? (I have no idea who owns it, TBH)

Hey at least it's a value-engineered automated light metro and not a value-engineered LRT with grade crossings.
Because, as discussed previously, the initial Transit City studies indicated that unlike the rest of the Transit City lines - that additional capacity was necessary - at least south of Eglinton.

And since when was a capacity of 20,000 to 34,000 passenger per hour per direction, "light metro"? That's on the magnitude of many London deep tube lines!
 
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It was inevitable given that some of it is in the way of the construction.

A bigger question though, is the future of Gerrard Square. I'm surprised it's not part of this. Presumably owned by a Tory backer? (I have no idea who owns it, TBH)

Because, as discussed previously, the initial Transit City studies indicated that unlike the rest of the Transit City lines - that additional capacity was necessary - at least south of Eglinton.

And since when was a capacity of 20,000 to 34,000 passenger per hour per direction, "light metro"? That's on the magnitude of many London deep tube lines!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-capacity_rail_system
 

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It was inevitable given that some of it is in the way of the construction.

A bigger question though, is the future of Gerrard Square. I'm surprised it's not part of this. Presumably owned by a Tory backer? (I have no idea who owns it, TBH)
Is there any chance the government might announce a separate TOC program for the Gerrard Square site?

Regardless, there’s no way Gerrard Square doesn’t get redeveloped, even without government intervention. A TOC would make it easier though.
 

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