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[W. K. Lis]

Before GO Transit and before the current (little used) Dufferin Gates, there used to be a CN Railway Exhibition Station.

From link.

It was located at the Dufferin Gates. Before the Gardiner Expressway.

The Canadian National Exhibition was more to the west. The eastern section of the current grounds was the garrison grounds of the "New" Fort York. Notice all the railway tracks that used to wonder all around the current Liberty Village.

1913...

1924...

From link.

 

[JasonParis]

The large number of alightings at Exhibition is somewhat surprising. Where are they all going? If it's to use w/b GO then one wonders if GO instead had LSE/LSW as a single through service, would OL see more alightings at East Harbour instead.

Most LSE/LSW trains run as a through service, although they could better market that.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Sorry to jump in late here, but I think several things are true

1) Metrolinx wanted to integrate the system
2) Doug didn't think the DRL went far enough
3) Stopping at the exhibition makes things difficult a bit.

I still think they can go to Dundas west and even the airport. The problem for me is rolling stock. If crosstown west/crosstown and the DRL were using the same rolling stock, would be easier to interline at Mount Dennis and achieve Doug's goal. But they're not, so I'm not sure how this is getting out to the airport. I don't think it will get there, but going to Mount Dennis with 1 transfer to Crosstown west via Dufferin and then Dundas West is a good compromise. Getting up Dufferin will be the challenge as @TheTigerMaster has said.

For the east, the only issue is MSF placement. I think they should announce the east extension because that is the most critical part of the line IMO. Intercepting the Lawerence and Ellesmere buses will be key to making this successful more so than any extensions.

 

[44 North]

Living under a rock?

Go to link.


The bigger picture of what the station on Atlantic Ave. will look like, including new condos above. Rendering from the Province of Ontario.


The station entrance on Dufferin St. will also include a housing development. Rendering from the Province of Ontario.

No bro look at the graph. It's s/b w/b AM peak. A few new condos in LV wouldn't account for those alightings (unless there's somehow a lot of night shift workers going home). If this model was for mid-summerish what could account for that volume is all the events in and around the EX. Definitely a seasonal space, but when it gets going it can be bumping.

 

[nfitz]

Before GO Transit and before the current (little used) Dufferin Gates, there used to be a CN Railway Exhibition Station.

If you look carefully from Dufferin Street or the tracks, some of those steps are still there.

I swear I remember using them from the Exhibition station during the CNE back around 1981 or so - but they moved the platforms further east years before that - so likely a false memory.

 

[EnviroTO]

The Ontario Line going to Kipling on its way to the airport makes far more sense than going to Dundas West. There is going to be frequent Union - Liberty Village - Dundas West service... why would you also need Queen - Exhibition - Dundas West? Also an Ontario Line to the airport via Kipling does provide line 2 relief that allows extensions to occur, connects to the bus hub there, and that extension would likely include a stop at Humber Loop allowing the Lakeshore West streetcar to be independent of the Queen or King cars.

 

[wopchop]

Why would a primarily residential development produce a large number of AM peak hour alightments at Exhibiton?

This is true.
But there is in fact quite a bit of office/employment in Liberty Village, so perhaps that explains the modelling. According to the BIA, there are 11,000 employees in the area.

Liberty Village BIA

 

[W. K. Lis]

The Ontario Line going to Kipling on its way to the airport makes far more sense than going to Dundas West. There is going to be frequent Union - Liberty Village - Dundas West service... why would you also need Queen - Exhibition - Dundas West? Also an Ontario Line to the airport via Kipling does provide line 2 relief that allows extensions to occur, connects to the bus hub there, and that extension would likely include a stop at Humber Loop allowing the Lakeshore West streetcar to be independent of the Queen or King cars.

Ontario LIne could merge with the UPX line from Dufferin & Queen (in the vicinity of the old Parkdale CN & CP railway stations) to the Pearson Transit Hub.

 

[afransen]

The Ontario Line going to Kipling on its way to the airport makes far more sense than going to Dundas West. There is going to be frequent Union - Liberty Village - Dundas West service... why would you also need Queen - Exhibition - Dundas West? Also an Ontario Line to the airport via Kipling does provide line 2 relief that allows extensions to occur, connects to the bus hub there, and that extension would likely include a stop at Humber Loop allowing the Lakeshore West streetcar to be independent of the Queen or King cars.

Wouldn't Milton Line upgrades provide that Line 2 @ Kipling relief more effectively?

At some point we need to figure out the Milton Line... it's too valuable for Mississauga to leave it as it is.

 

[smallspy]

This is true.
But there is in fact quite a bit of office/employment in Liberty Village, so perhaps that explains the modelling. According to the BIA, there are 11,000 employees in the area.

Liberty Village BIA

And on top of that..... Many of those employees currently use transit and active transportation to access their jobs there.

So this is a situation where there won't be a huge change in the modal split of transit into the area as all that will be happening is people are going to use the new, faster mode of transit. But it will open up additional spots on other transit corridors for new bums to fill them.

(Not that I'm suggesting for a second that the line shouldn't be built. But this is the reality of the thing.)

Dan

 

[Phil P]

Ontario LIne could merge with the UPX line from Dufferin & Queen (in the vicinity of the old Parkdale CN & CP railway stations) to the Pearson Transit Hub.

The Ontario Line should be extended east first and then northeast via Kipling Station enroute towards Pearson to provide rapid transit to an entirely new area of the city, not Dundas West

 

[cc46]

Does anyone have any information on the route location from Flemingdon Park to Thorncliffe Park, over the Don Valley park? I would presume there’d be bridge structure required.
Any info is appreciated, thanks,


Never mind found a link

https://www.metrolinxengage.com/sites/default/files/appendix_c_-_ontario_line_profile_drawings.pdf

 

[anb]

The Ontario Line should be extended east first and then northeast via Kipling Station enroute towards Pearson to provide rapid transit to an entirely new area of the city, not Dundas West

What if we just extend Line 2 up to Pearson instead, which wouldn't be out of the picture in context of what they are doing with the SSE. The express/night buses already headed to Pearson via Kipling feels like its supposed to be an extension of the subway anyways. Maybe the Ontario Line could replace the Queen streetcar in the west end and head to Long Branch which would help serve that area a lot more than what it is currently. It also gives Etobicoke full coverage with RT lines covering the south, central and north areas of the borough, along with a somewhat of a N-S line.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Maybe by the time the Ontario Line opens, they would have fixed the Liberty Village Bridge...

From link.

Supply chain issues blamed for delayed repairs to elevators at Liberty Village pedestrian bridge​

From link.

City of Toronto says supply issues are to blame for the delay in repairing them.

Residents have called the new $12-million pedestrian bridge in Liberty Village, which opened just a year ago, a major disappointment

The vital shortcut connects the bustling downtown community to King Street West, but the bridge has been inaccessible for a third of its life span.


Since last November, the only way to use the enclosed walkway that arches over the train tracks is to climb three flights of stairs, rendering the bridge unavailable to many in the neighbourhood.

Area resident Vanda, who first alerted CityNews to the issue back in March, is dumb founded it’s gone on this long.

“How can we ever be a world-class city when we can’t even keep our public spaces cleaned and functioning regularly for all people to enjoy?” she said.

In early March, the City said, “Several divisions are working to repair the elevators and bring them back to working order as soon as possible.” A timeline was never provided and six weeks later, the elevators are still out of service.

CityNews reached out again asking for an explanation and are now being told repairs have been delayed by global supply chain issues.

In a statement, the city said, “Staff met recently and developed an action plan to implement the necessary repairs.” It’s now anticipated the elevators will be working within weeks.

Inaccessibility is one of several issues plaguing the Liberty Village bridge since it opened last April. Concerns about safety, vandalism and loitering have also been reported by residents.

Vanda tells CityNews the situation is disheartening.

“It’s disappointing that we cannot rely on our municipal government to not only listen to our concerns but to take action in a timely manner when these concerns come to pass.”

From an earlier link.

Many of the issues residents have seen with the bridge were brought up in public consultations. “We were very vocal years ago about the issues that we thought that we knew was going to happen, and everything that we said in the public consultations has come to pass,” said Vanda.

Vanda said many people had preferred a ramp, similar to the bridge that connects CityPlace to Front Street.

The city councillor for the area, Joe Cressy, told CityNews previously they were forced to use an enclosed bridge and elevators to make it accessible due to the slope of the ground around the rail corridor in that spot, they couldn’t build a ramp.

Vanda added the issues residents told CityNews about last November continue to be a problem. “There are a lot of issues with vandalism, squatting here, unfortunately, drug use. If you go up into the at the top, you’ll see all kinds of drug paraphernalia.”

At the time, Cressy said he was aware of the safety concerns from residents and had elevated the issue to the City’s corporate security team.

But of course, the bureaucrats know better than the actual users.

 

[EnviroTO]

Wouldn't Milton Line upgrades provide that Line 2 @ Kipling relief more effectively?

At some point we need to figure out the Milton Line... it's too valuable for Mississauga to leave it as it is.

I agree with the second point, but a north-south line through Kipling is more valuable than another line through Dundas West (i.e. Kitchener plus Milton plus UP Express plus future Bolton). Kipling is going to be the new Etobicoke Centre.