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And interestingly the north side doors at Ricoh were installed about a century before the loop in anticipation of transit service to that spot. At least somebody was thinking ahead.

I worked in LV for a year and I saw more people coming from the streetcar than the GO train at Exhibition station. It's not worth the cost of a GO ticket to travel one station when you can just stay on the TTC.

To be clear, I was not suggesting people were taking the GO to LV....just that the connection between LV and Ricoh and BMO (and the crowds of people they bring) is through the GO station tunnel.
 

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Huh?

Meanwhile, the CNEA has told MGM and Cadillac Fairview to stop acting like the CNE wants them there or has any agreement with them whatsoever, and have asked them to cease and desist in using the CNE's iconic symbols and images in their marketing, such as the Princes Gates, etc.

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Huh?

Meanwhile, the CNEA has told MGM and Cadillac Fairview to stop acting like the CNE wants them there or has any agreement with them whatsoever, and have asked them to cease and desist in using the CNE's iconic symbols and images in their marketing, such as the Princes Gates, etc.

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How can the CNEA legally ask for a cease and desist? (1) The Prince's Gates were erected as a celebration of the anniversary of its Dominion, not for the CNE. (2) Can a picture taken from a street be infringement?

For issue 1, as a Canadian I am offended that the CNE is trying to subvert a monument to our Country to be a monument for a 2 week fair.

And for issue 2, everyone on UT should be up in arms. Will every picture on this site be part of a cease and desist order from the architect/developer saying that their building is not part of the public realm and no photos should be used?
 

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Of course not.

It has to do with the appearance of a partnership that the MGM/Cad Fair proposal is trying to make with the CNE. Amongst other things, they've already announced that they have an agreement to make CNE entry free for 10 years, when in fact no agreement exists at all. No wonder the CNE Board is steamed and taking action.

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For issue 1, as a Canadian I am offended that the CNE is trying to subvert a monument to our Country to be a monument for a 2 week fair.

I'm more offended by all the assumptions MGM is making, from assuming the CNE is fine being relocating to the parking lots of Ontario Place, to the transit improvements they assume the taxpayers will pay for.
 

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Of course not.

It has to do with the appearance of a partnership that the MGM/Cad Fair proposal is trying to make with the CNE. Amongst other things, they've already announced that they have an agreement to make CNE entry free for 10 years, when in fact no agreement exists at all. No wonder the CNE Board is steamed and taking action.

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Everything I read at the time of the announcement (and I did not read everything so I stand to be corrected) was that as part of their proposal they were offering to compensate the CNE for lost revenue from their charity casino and subsidize free admission to the annual fair.....I did not read (nor can I find now) any report/site/quote where they say "the CNE has agreed to this".
 

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I'm not sure of their exact wording, but the reporting of the story has been that "the CNE would be free for 10 years", giving the impression that there's a deal. Just watch any CTV News (or other) report on this. MGM haven't exactly rushed to say "oh, we didn't mean to give you that impression."

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I'm not sure of their exact wording, but the reporting of the story has been that "the CNE would be free for 10 years", giving the impression that there's a deal. Just watch any CTV News (or other) report on this. MGM haven't exactly rushed to say "oh, we didn't mean to give you that impression."

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How it is reported is hardly their fault....I think, for example, if you read the G&M report on the same announcement it is quite clear that their proposal is to make the CNE free.

Not sure why they would deny that that is their intent...it is....but there is nothing in their press releases or responsible reporting that would suggest that they have an agreement with the CNE on that or any other matter.

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I took a few minutes to watch the CTV report on the day of the announcement.....Natalie Johnson reported "no turnstiles would mean no entrance fees....MGM would foot the bill for that".

Nowhere does it say they have agreed on that with the CNE the whole report is in the context of "this is their proposal".

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mgm-unveils-vision-for-proposed-casino-complex-1.1184518
 
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You would think that someone making a pitch for a project that will site on an existing venue would be a little bit more careful in their approach. Doubt that? Just imagine the furor that would come from CF if some serious, private third party entity make proclaimations on what one does with Eaton Centre, using their building shots and all in the publicity materials.

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Except that the CNE and Exhibition Place are two seperate entities. The latter having already been proposed by the city in it's own public survey as a potential development site. So really Brian Ashton and the CNE board need to relax a bit. The City of Toronto already floated the idea of using the grounds to host a Casino, MGM simply showed potentially what it could look like, while still keeping the CNE intact. If MGM didn't show the CNE, I have no doubt the same chorus would be going nuts, asking "Why didn't they show the CNE?? " "How do they intend to incorporate it". Seeing as how people have already done that, with the lack of detail about Ontario Place in the sketches.
 
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I'm more offended by all the assumptions MGM is making, from assuming the CNE is fine being relocating to the parking lots of Ontario Place, to the transit improvements they assume the taxpayers will pay for.

And the hypocrisy of the CNE stating that they want to turn Ontario Place into a tourist destination? They demand one entity to stop implying the use of the CNE brand and then use the brand of another entity (I assume without their consent).

http://www.explace.on.ca/index.php
 

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And the hypocrisy of the CNE stating that they want to turn Ontario Place into a tourist destination? They demand one entity to stop implying the use of the CNE brand and then use the brand of another entity (I assume without their consent).

http://www.explace.on.ca/index.php

I think this is what you are referring to http://www.explace.on.ca/media/press_releases/articles106.php, but like I just said the CNE and Exhibition Place are two seperate entities with their own boards of management. And so far Exhibition Place hasn't made a comment or issued any sort of press release in regards to this proposal. Perhaps, because MGM may already consulted them (as they are in charge of the place and not Brian Ashton and the CNE board), and they tacitly approve. Reading about the make up of the organization, CNEA reps were removed from the board of governor earlier last year, and therefore while they (CNEA) have public clout, as most people assume the CNE and Exhibition Place are one entity, they in fact have very little say in the actual management of the site, and this seems to me like the CNEA having a public hissy fit.
 
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