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hawc said:
Do weeds add character to a garden? Does mold add character to bread? Does rust add character to a car? Does cancer add character to...
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graffiti is done by people, usually young people. to me it makes the city feel lived in. there is a point where it can be too much, but to me Toronto has an OK amount
 
unrealestate said:
graffiti is done by people, usually young people. to me it makes the city feel lived in. there is a point where it can be too much, but to me Toronto has an OK amount
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Graffiti Alley off Queen W is generally good. I like most of the graffiti on the Leaside bridge pillars in the Don Valley. I don't like tagging. It does work in some places, but generally (to me) is visual noise.
 
This thread is getting off track.

To me, graffiti anywhere that it isn't explicitly or implicitly authorized is a sign that people don't care about each other, they don't value private / public property, and that law enforcement or maintenance is poor. Whether you like it aesthetically or not is somewhat irrelevant -- it's objectively bad for moral and societal reasons.

Even on an aesthetic basis, I think 90% of people would agree 90% of graffiti (especially tags) makes a city uglier.
 
milkycontent said:
Obviously graffiti is often annoying and sometimes beautiful but it's also present in pretty much every city in the world. I think some of you are a little overly obsessed.
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Guilty.
I fixed it. I feel better now.
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I grew up in New York (Brooklyn) in the 80s. Let me know when it gets that bad. Until then I hope we give as much energy to the bigger issues as we do graffiti, like oh I don't know, education, ensuring people have enough food and shelter, the fentanyl epidemic, etc.

I don't love graffiti, especially tagging, but I do love the art mural pieces. I even had my garage muralized by a friend who is an artist. (new adverb created by me. :))
In fact, I feel pretty strongly that the mural he did has actually DECREASED the likelihood of my garage, situated in an alleyway, being tagged.
 
milkycontent said:
Obviously graffiti is often annoying and sometimes beautiful but it's also present in pretty much every city in the world. I think some of you are a little overly obsessed.
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...obsession, nah! Wait till we start talking about utility poles! 😼
 
I dislike most graffiti too. However I wan to know what colour the lift will be and when they'll paint it? Anybody ?
 
unrealestate said:
I think Toronto has an acceptable amount of graffiti. i dont find it egregious. it adds character, even shitty tags
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And why on earth do you or any person get to decide that? Buildigns/infrastructure is either private property or belongs to ALL TORONTONIANS. What they're tagging/painting doesn't belong to them. If we showed up at their house and dipped their personal possessions in paint, they'd go ballistic.

Probably the only way they'll understand that it's not theirs to alter. It doesn't matter one iota if you or Person X thinks it looks nice.
 
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isaidso said:
And why on earth do you or any person get to decide that? Buildigns/infrastructure is either private property or belongs to ALL TORONTONIANS. What they're tagging/painting doesn't belong to them. If we showed up at their house and dipped their personal possessions in paint, they'd go ballistic.

Probably the only way they'll understand that it's not theirs to alter. It doesn't matter one iota if you or Person X thinks it looks nice.
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I get to decide my opinion.. anyway let's move on
 
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