nfitz
Superstar
You mean that after the new station opens, then again wait over 40 years and then build a new more convenient MiWay terminal?
I believe they were referring to the new MiWay terminal not the original TTC terminal.
Toronto Kipling Station Transit Hub | ?m | 2s | Metrolinx | SAI
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NY99
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that’s absolute insanity. Did we just spend millions upon millions of dollars to make transit worse?
nfitz
Superstar
It would be interesting to time the tunnel versus taking the walkway to the GO platform and walking down that instead.
Towered
Senior Member
In classic Toronto fashion, yes. The obvious solution was ignored.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Designed by non-transit users, and non-handicapped.
JasonParis
Moderator
I'm not defending this, but some travel time is saved by having the terminal a bit closer to Mississauga as well, yes?
LNahid2000
Senior Member
Not necessarily since the trains crawl into Kipling during rush hour.
argus
Active Member
Not really. As others have noted the subway generally crawls into Kipling. Add to that, the trip up to ground level for connecting buses at Islington was a fraction of the time spent on now getting from Kipling station to the MiWay terminal.
"Integration" doesn't seem terribly evident in the results of this effort.
drum118
Superstar
Why!!? The GO access to TTC is non accessible; the platform is lock for both ends off hours and weekends and the walk would be a lot longer. Got to climb stairs to the walkway that will take you to GO platform and a long stair down to it or use the elevator. Since I very rarely around Kipling when GO platform is open, someone else would have to do the timing for X bus bay both ways. Don't see GO allowing the platform to be in service 7/24 at this time.
No time saving for rider other than for the buses.
Route 3 see about the same travel time from Islington and 3 minutes to it.
All other Mississauga routes except 26 save 5 minutes not going to Islington and 3 minutes from Islington.
Route 26 travel time to Islington remains as is and an extra 5 minutes to Kipling. I don't know if there is any saving with route 26 using the new route from Islington compare to the old route other than an extra 5 minute to the Islington Ave Stop.
Will the planners and schedulers offer better service to Kipling now and I will say no.
Yes we did and mostly cost by Hydro One refusing to allow the terminal under its transmission lines.
Then TTC and the City caused this extra time by not extending the subway to Cloverdale as per the 2008 Big Move and keeping people in their cars for all the new development underway on Dundas and to be built within the next 10 years. Also not dealing with the flaw TTC bus terminal. If built at Cloverdale, TTC would save millions a year as well freeing up a number of buses. Same would applied to Mississauga, but not as much as TTC.
Both Mississauga and TTC Riders would see the real saving in travel time going to Cloverdale than Kipling. No idea for GO since no idea what routes they plan to service this Hub, especially if the bus is going to/from Union using Kipling Ave
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Would the trains be faster entering Kipling Station if we used reversing tracks beyond Kipling Station?
From link.
They could have used loops, but unlikely to be used for the Ontario Line.
In Montréal and other cities, they use a reversing track located beyond the terminal station.
The latter is the used in such places as Paris Metro and Tokyo Underground and London.
Using the pinched loop, would allow passengers to egress, doors close, train moves into the reversing track, change directions, and move back onto the other side of the terminal station to continue its journey. With ATO, any security guards can wait or change at the terminal platforms.
From link.
They could have used loops, but unlikely to be used for the Ontario Line.
In Montréal and other cities, they use a reversing track located beyond the terminal station.
The latter is the used in such places as Paris Metro and Tokyo Underground and London.
Using the pinched loop, would allow passengers to egress, doors close, train moves into the reversing track, change directions, and move back onto the other side of the terminal station to continue its journey. With ATO, any security guards can wait or change at the terminal platforms.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Perhaps extend Line 2 to the MiWay terminal and ad a new station there, Kipling West perhaps.
Tuscani01
Senior Member
Nah, too expensive. Just have an express bus from KIpling's TTC terminal to the transit hub instead.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
New York City's "S" 42nd Street Shuttle is 732 m (2,402 feet) in length. Takes trains 90 seconds to traverse between Times Square and Grand Central. See link.
LNahid2000
Senior Member
What's funny is that they're currently rebuilding this line since it was over capacity before the pandemic.
afransen
Senior Member
For the expense, it would probably make more sense to extend the subway than put in a people mover. What a gong show.