Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[goodcitywhenfinished]

Eglinton looks like its running better than Finch based on both of his videos. Finch is crawling

As someone pointed out to me, it might just be that it’s running faster because this is not yet revenue demonstration.

This person (who is in rail construction/maintenance business) said that TTC might be running revenue service at slower speeds to derisk operations, chance of collisions, and increase time between maintenance cycles etc etc. Caveat that they do not and have never worked for the TTC so take with a grain of salt

 

[nfitz]

I think the TTC is going to be shocked and underprepared how quickly they’re going need to move to 3 car trains.

That seems unlikely, unless they go for less frequent service, given how overdesigned it is for 2025 (we design for the future fortunately).

I'm not sure what this has to do with the TTC. They just drive the trains. The number of cars on the trains is more of a Metrolinx/Crosslinx problem. They can simply order more.

 

[innsertnamehere]

I think the TTC is going to be shocked and underprepared how quickly they’re going need to move to 3 car trains.

The TTC is expecting to run service significantly above demand profiles initially to achieve minimum frequency standards on the line - I would be surprised if they run into capacity issues quickly. Especially since they have lots of room to move to higher frequencies still before throwing in 3-car trains. Demand is expected to support only 5 minute frequencies but trains will run closer to every 3 minutes:

How often should the Eglinton LRT run? TTC, Metrolinx disagree

Difference over LRT service levels proves an early test of province and city’s ability to get along.

www.thestar.com

To even meet demand levels of the 3 minute frequencies, demand patterns need to be 15 years ahead of projections. Plus then you can consider the TTC can run trains well under 2 minute frequencies before needing 3-car trains.. I doubt it's happening soon.

 

[Steve X]

From what I remember reading earlier on these pages, they don't have enough vehicles for 3-car trains, but that capacity is expected to be more than adequate for 2 car-trains for the forseeable future

They would need more trains for the west extension anyways. So they can procure more as needed.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

They would need more trains for the west extension anyways. So they can procure more as needed.

With the Eglinton LRT Line 5 extension into Etobicoke (from Mt. Dennis to Renforth), possible Pearson Airport Transit Hub Extension for Line 5, and the Eglinton East LRT Line 7 (from Kennedy Station to Malvern Town Centre), we should expect increases in ridership for Line 5 overall.

 

[smallspy]

This person (who is in rail construction/maintenance business) said that TTC might be running revenue service at slower speeds to derisk operations, chance of collisions, and increase time between maintenance cycles etc etc. Caveat that they do not and have never worked for the TTC so take with a grain of salt

You need to stop listening to that person's opinion about railway operations, as it's apparent that his expertise is elsewhere.

Dan

 

[Steve X]

With the Eglinton LRT Line 5 extension into Etobicoke (from Mt. Dennis to Renforth), possible Pearson Airport Transit Hub Extension for Line 5, and the Eglinton East LRT Line 7 (from Kennedy Station to Malvern Town Centre), we should expect increases in ridership for Line 5 overall.

Last time the city provided an update. They were aiming for longer trains like Finch West but not couple them together to 90m. They’ll save money on shorter platforms for a lower demand line. So it’s not likely they will use these trains.

 

[nfitz]

With the Eglinton LRT Line 5 extension into Etobicoke (from Mt. Dennis to Renforth), possible Pearson Airport Transit Hub Extension for Line 5, and the Eglinton East LRT Line 7 (from Kennedy Station to Malvern Town Centre), we should expect increases in ridership for Line 5 overall.

The demand estimates assumed all those were already open - including from Renforth to Pearson.

Perhaps a bit higher, but the demand west of Jane was poor - and even poorer west (north) of Renforth. I'd wager most of those additional riders are already on the bus, so the addition from Eglinton East will be minimal.

They were aiming for longer trains like Finch West but not couple them together to 90m. They’ll save money on shorter platforms for a lower demand line.

The stations are designed for 90-metre trains. The platforms too as far as I know - at most they need minor modifications.

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

You need to stop listening to that person's opinion about railway operations, as it's apparent that his expertise is elsewhere.

Dan

This. The TTC isn't responsible for maintenance of the vehicles or the line that's all being handled by Crosslinx Transit Solutions Maintenance for the next 30 or so years... There's also no reason to believe that they will be bringing the stated operational rules and habits from the legacy streetcar network to Line 5 & 6 either. The reasons behind those rules on the streetcar network just don't apply to Line 5 & 6. For example, the rule requiring streetcar operators to stop and confirm switch point direction doesn't apply as both lines use dual point interlocking switches and signals to indicate the position of the switches.

 

[evandyk]

I had coffee with someone on the board of Metrolinx on the weekend. He couldn't say much, and I won't repeat it here, but what a colossal clusterfuck. I did give him an earful about what the people on this forum think of Metrolinx's views on transparency and accountability. Won't matter much, because he already agrees with me.

 

[JamesMcGrath]

Uh oh. B1M is now talking about it.

 

[Thaboss]

I had coffee with someone on the board of Metrolinx on the weekend. He couldn't say much, and I won't repeat it here, but what a colossal clusterfuck. I did give him an earful about what the people on this forum think of Metrolinx's views on transparency and accountability. Won't matter much, because he already agrees with meme.

What exactly stood out to this person as especially egregious, or were they just frustrated at mentrolinx like everyone else is?

Also, as a boardmember what authority can they exercise in matters of transparency ?

 

[khris]

Uh oh. B1M is now talking about it.

I came here to post this haha.
This is bad press for Toronto!

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Also, as a boardmember what authority can they exercise in matters of transparency ?

The current situation at Mlinx re: transparency told you all you need to know.

AoD

 

[felix123]

Uh oh. B1M is now talking about it.

Haha glad to see B1M is telling it like it is, at least (unlike ML).