Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[BrenWilson]

Jughandles are a highway solution, should never have that kind of solution in a mixed use urban ROW.

 

[adys123]

At southbound Bathurst at Adelaide the advance greed left turn should get extended until the streetcar clears the intersection.

This was actually a change that was made a couple months back!

 

[Admiral Beez]

For the record, 'Jughandles' were originally proposed on Eglinton east of Victoria Park, and I'm one of the people who spiked that idea, because it creates a pedestrian-hostile environment.

Can we consider the interchange from eastbound Kingston Road to northbound Midland via Kelsonia Ave. as a jughandle? That's what I have in mind. I think the right turn design at Kelsonia does not encourage high speed entry.

 

[Northern Light]

Can we consider the interchange from eastbound Kingston Road to northbound Midland via Kelsonia Ave. as a jughandle? That's what I have in mind. I think the right turn design at Kelsonia does not encourage high speed entry.

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You could.

That one is an oddity, and you'll note actually supports two-way traffic as well.

There are multiple different examples.

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Thing is, if you want to remove left-turns from impeding LRTs you need at least 2 juglandles at each intersection, if you're intending to remove them from competing N-S roads, then you need up to 4.

You also have to consider the amount of land consumed, and that the land inside the jughandles would not generally be developable, unless you made them quite circuitous.

For development purposes, to fit a single tower + podium the corner of an intersection you'll need at least 27m x 27m not including additional space for sidewalks.

To be clear, you can play with building shapes a bit..........but just to give some context, Here's the intersection above with a buildable proposal (dimensions) superimposed:

So you would have to bend any jughandle around that, or you would have dead space on every corner.

 

[micheal_can]

Another idea could be signage for right hand turns to make left hand turns. That would mean upgrading some side streets, but if signs were posted that would point how to go left, but only making right hand turns, it might be an easy solution.

 

[EllaW]

Saw lots of trains today - both directions

I am in and around the surface level of Eglinton all the time and there are constantly trains going in both directions for at least the past week or so.

 

[smallspy]

I assume your question is disingenuous, intended as a dismissal rather than true inquiry, but both sides of Eglinton from Victoria Park onwards are slated to be torn down and residential development put in. Now's our chance to require those developments to include the roads to reduce left turns off Eglinton. I expect you may reply the contrarian, to tell us why this cannot, will not or should not be done, but so be it.

It was a dismissal, as your idea is asinine. The last thing this city needs is more roads.

Dan

 

[Steve X]

They could simply move to a laggy left signal and let the “streetcar” through first.

 

[Undead]

If this city was actually focused on moving people around as efficiently as possible, we could make a lot of decisions that would accomplish this. But transit is for poor people, cars are for rich people, and so cars are prioritized. Can you imagine the angry calls into Newstalk 1010 from SUV drivers who had to wait at a stop light because the poors were allowed to go first? The suffering and waiting of transit riders is the point.

It's well known that the TTC is widely used by middle and upper middle class people; and many working poor drive. Cool it with the disingenuous posts.

 

[Sqazi]

It's well known that the TTC is widely used by middle and upper middle class people; and many working poor drive. Cool it with the disingenuous posts.

Widely known? Unless you can provide a source, this sounds very made up.

 

[Undead]

Widely known? Unless you can provide a source, this sounds very made up.

I'd need to go back and check, but it's been discussed on Urban Toronto before. Certainly Parkdalian's rhetoric is divorced from reality.

 

[cplchanb]

It's well known that the TTC is widely used by middle and upper middle class people; and many working poor drive. Cool it with the disingenuous posts.

Im on the eglinton 34 bus right now.... the demographics i observe on this bus is very contrary to your claims

 

[Undead]

Im on the eglinton 34 bus right now.... the demographics i observe on this bus is very contrary to your claims

Like I said, we can wait until we dig up the source, but if we're quoting anecdotes, then I'll just cancel out your observation with mine that I see plenty of suits on line 1 when I take it.

 

[cplchanb]

Like I said, we can wait until we dig up the source, but if we're quoting anecdotes, then I'll just cancel out your observation with mine that I see plenty of suits on line 1 when I take it.

Well.... we're talking about line 5 here on this debateabout signal priority and drivers complaining. Its pretty obvious what the demographics are. White suits on the 510 are irrelevant in this conversation.

 

[Undead]

From a 2023 TTC CEO report:

"of the 3.2 million average weekday boardings pre-COVID:

• 24% make less than $40K
• 23% make more than $100K

Which supports my point about plenty of middle class people using the TTC.

Another notable stat from that report which complicates the vapid "poor TTC rider, evil car user" narrative:

• 32% of TTC users did not own a car (suggesting that a supermajority of TTC users do have access to a car)

I know these are pre-COVID stats, but they still illustrate the point.

Well.... we're talking about line 5 here on this debateabout signal priority and drivers complaining. Its pretty obvious what the demographics are. White suits on the 510 are irrelevant in this conversation.

I didn't say anything about the 510. The point is the vapid narrative Parkdalian was pushing.