Johnny Au
Superstar
I am strongly in favour of this proposal, but there is a boom barrier on Rumsey between Glenvale and Kilgour. Perhaps the boom barrier lifts up whenever the bus passes by.
I visit Holland Bloorview very often by the way.
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I visit Holland Bloorview very often by the way.
Steve X
Senior Member
Demands on this route is very local. A packed full bus at Wilson can have plenty of seats south of Eglinton. It shows that low income riders stay in their neighbourhood. The split is introduced to reallocate service to North of Eglinton. Jane South will have a wider headway.
toronto647
Active Member
Heard from a ministry of transportation or metrolinx (can't recall which one the person was) source that the opening date will be December 23, 2024... How accurate that is, I guess we will have to wait and see
Railrunner
Active Member
The Crosstown LRTv broke ground in 2011... It's an LRT. 13 years is insane. The Valley line in Edmonton broke ground in 2016 and phase 1 is open as of the beginning of this month it's 13 km vs. Crosstown's 19km but the REM also broke ground in 2018, and phase one is open, meaning a 16.6 km transit line was completed in 5 years. Even the Finch West LRT with 10.8 km which broke ground in the last month of 2019 and is much more likely to open before the Crosstown. What could have possibly happened on Eglinton Avenue that made this project such a disaster?
Obsidian
Active Member
None of that is relevant since it's stations undergrounds which is what takes the most amount of time, none of the REM or Valley which opened had to build underground stations.
Steve X
Senior Member
It's the way how the project is delivered. If tunnelling and station excavation occurred at the same time like every other project in the work including the Sheppard subway and TYSSE, it could been a 2015 start and we are in the 8th year. Instead they came up with this stupid delivery method to push the spending to 1, 2 or even 3 election terms ahead and not balance the books today. Crosstown West and Scarborough subway extension is using this same tunnel first, dig later delivery. They won't even dig the stations till 2025/26 and if the screw up, they won't even open till 2032/33. If they would spend the money this election term and dig the stations starting in 2021 along with tunneling, we could have seen a possible opening targets in 2027. They are also cheap and wanted to order the minimum required TBM. If they ordered two pairs for the Crosstown west, they could have done the tunneling with an exit shaft at Kipling from both ways and be well underway with station excavation now.
dowlingm
Senior Member
I did not realize that - that is interesting, I wonder what the backstory to that is. The center post mounting passage width of the present installation might not even leave a Wheeltrans vehicle through it (which is ironic because when you look at it in Apple Maps street view, a Wheeltrans vehicle is visible on Kilgour beside it, presumably about to turn into the parking lots)
Voltz
Senior Member
As has been mentioned there where several years of intentional delays put in the schedule by the province, when it was a TTC project, their plan was to open it in phases starting in 2015, which would have been doable since the first phase only had a few underground stations.
duffo
Active Member
The currently operating branch of the REM terminates underground (I guess technically a re-constructed concourse of an existing underground station), and the Valley Line has a short cut-and-cover tunnel section as well.
Rainforest
Senior Member
That, plus they discovered structural problems while digging under the Yonge line, and had to fix those problems.
PL1
Senior Member
For selfish reasons, I'd like the 56 to make turn at Sunnybrook (SB). As it stands, it looks like I'm obliged to 3-4 rides to get to work from Coxwell/Danforth.
Currently: usually 56 from Donlands to 11 at Bayview (with either bike share or subway from Coxwell to Donlands)
Future equivalent: 51 from Donlands to Laird, 5 to Leaside, 11 to SB (plus bike/subway to Donlands).
Alternate 1 (and current): 2 to Yonge, 1 to Davisville, 11 to SB.
Alternate 2 (future): 91 to Bermondsey, 5 to Leaside, 11 to SB.
I don't predict either of these alternatives will be faster than the 30 min from Donlands to SB.
cplchanb
Senior Member
well you can blame verster for that in his ego 1 gigantic grand opening approach. hes been steadfast on it despite the obvious benefits of a phased approach.
drum118
Superstar
How can you open an line that was never was plan to open in phases in the first places as well doing the testing for that phases if there still out standing issues to be fix for it??
Do you know for a fact what could be open in phase 1 & 2 and able to prove it??
Safety is Number 1 issue on all construction sites as well operating transit.
cplchanb
Senior Member
It's the underground sections that are holding g everything back. They have been testing trains for 2 years now. Had they gone for a phased opening at the start they could've easily worked it in their commissioning. Safety is not an issue for this since they only need to move trains through the tunnels as deadheads.
T3G
Senior Member
Unless, of course, the deadheading trains encountered a problem, right? Or does the safety of train drivers and construction workers not matter?
I don't want to rehash this debate again as I've stated my piece at least half a dozen times at this point, but there's a very good reason no one took the idea of a phased opening seriously.