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Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.

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So, we should be calling it Union Transit as opposed to Public Transit. As much as I appreciate unions and their need to exist in the free market, this is why they make absolutely no sense in public sector monopolies that are funded by...the public.
 

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So, we should be calling it Union Transit as opposed to Public Transit. As much as I appreciate unions and their need to exist in the free market, this is why they make absolutely no sense in public sector monopolies that are funded by...the public.
Unions are fine ... I've never been a fan of the public unions though, since they demand outrageous salaries and benefits in Ontario. We have a teacher's strikes, transit workers get so many breaks it damages public transit efficiency, postal strikes, and it's not like they're underpaid or in poor working conditions.
 

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Unions are fine ... I've never been a fan of the public unions though, since they demand outrageous salaries and benefits in Ontario. We have a teacher's strikes, transit workers get so many breaks it damages public transit efficiency, postal strikes, and it's not like they're underpaid or in poor working conditions.
Depending on the systems, wages eat 70-85% of operation cost, leaving very little for other things or quality of service. In some cases, operation cost has an impact on the construct budget that it may cause projects to be defer.

With automated trains coming down the road very fast, operation cost will start to fall once drivers are remove and replace with a less pay person on standby incase they have to step in and remove over time. they cause what fare riders have to pay as well those maintaining the equipment.

An 18 km line in Germany is seeing non drivers on an S Bond line trains. There is an railroad running 200 plus car long long distance non man. BN has already done some long distance trail testing with non man trains.

Have work in both sectors, non union was the best route as you can pay x worker more over y as they are doing more and the quality of work is better. When x slacker join a group of works in a union and those workers that were better workers before the slacker join, their work starts to fall as they say why so I do more when x is getting the same pay while doing less work. A lot harder to fire a worker or discipline them to the point companies give up unless it real bad. Seen this as a worker and on the management side. Paying people a fair wage is very important, but what does that mean to people is a different story.

In time, this line will see no divers at all.
 

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Maybe one day when trains can be fully automated with a remote operator for emergency braking and safety need, they can move to a headway operation. Remote operators can be swap out momentary.

The problem is there is no one physically there to help with evacuations in the tunnel or give first aid.
 

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A report to the October 26th meeting of the Infrastructure and Environment Ctte addresses how residents of Wynford Drive are expected to get to their Crosstown LRT stop, given that the roads are grade-separated.

Report here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ie/bgrd/backgroundfile-171902.pdf

The gist is that a new sidewalk/ramp will be built along the connecting ramp/road from Wynford to Eglinton.

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Aside: How was a solution for this not considered during the initial project design?
 
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A report to the October 26th meeting of the Infrastructure and Environment Ctte addresses how residents of Wynford Drive are expected to get to their Crosstown LRT stop, given that the roads are grade-separated.

Report here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ie/bgrd/backgroundfile-171902.pdf

The gist is that a new sidewalk/ramp will be build along the connecting ramp/road from Wynford to Eglinton.

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Aside: How was a solution for this not considered during the initial project design?
Why wasn't a switchback ramp considered?
 

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A report to the October 26th meeting of the Infrastructure and Environment Ctte addresses how residents of Wynford Drive are expected to get to their Crosstown LRT stop, given that the roads are grade-separated.

Report here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ie/bgrd/backgroundfile-171902.pdf

The gist is that a new sidewalk/ramp will be build along the connecting ramp/road from Wynford to Eglinton.

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Aside: How was a solution for this not considered during the initial project design?
Back of napkin plans, whatcha gonna go about it?
 

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Couldn’t think of a better thread for this…. Taken yesterday. The point being, Edmonton’s new LRT is in testing just like Crosstown.

Back when Ottawa and iOn were a-building there was suspense about which would open first. I suspect Edmonton will beat Toronto this time.

Impressive that we soon will have all four LRT’s complete, with three more on the way in Ontario and one in Quebec. That’s progress for sure.

- Paul
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Running real late and with the rain, took a look at Mount Dennis, Black Creek, Keelesdale and Caledonia areas only.

Westbound Eglinton between Weston Rd and Black Creek will be 2 lanes with a duel direction cycling lane where the curb lane was and a wider sidewalk. Couldn't understand why a barrier wall was in the curb lane at Mount Dennis Entrance until today for the last number of mouths and still wondering why. Until I have a real close look to make sure I am seeing as to what I am think I am seeing, could be wrong for this post. Both the sidewalk and cycle path raise to the top or above it with a slop to the barrier. Need handrails there for sure

The sidewalk at Weston is very large and partly due to the cycle path.

Foundation walls of the planters are being form for the plaza.

The westbound lanes have been fully rebuilt east of Weston Rd to the bridge and not sure where it stop without a closer look.

Work is underway at Black Creek for installing traffic lights foundations and support for them and preparing to build the new median.

Eglinton east of Black Creek is ready for paving.

Keelesdale
Only a small amount of exterior work to be done in TTC Bus terminal area as well the vent area on Eglinton, otherwise it complete outside.

Caledonia
Whoa!! what a change since my last visit as all the hoarding is gone and landscaping well underway. Stairs have been built to the plaza with a bike grove on the east side that will see handrail on the west side. Large rocks been used as part of a retaining wall.

The walkway mostly built to the station from the plaza driveway.

Still a lot of work on the entrance itself.

Crash wall being built next to the Barrie Line with a lot of back filling to be done.

Taking to some power to be for the station, lots and lot of change orders for the station. Have yet to see a project that hasn't seen a change orders, but some see far too many. Sound like this station is see a greater number than it should. It was said that this station could be turn over to Metrolinx on Friday, but Metrolinx would spend another 14 months playing with their choo choo and making changes to the station.

Exterior could be finish by Dec with luck.

Photos to follow
 

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Couldn’t think of a better thread for this…. Taken yesterday. The point being, Edmonton’s new LRT is in testing just like Crosstown.

Back when Ottawa and iOn were a-building there was suspense about which would open first. I suspect Edmonton will beat Toronto this time.

Impressive that we soon will have all four LRT’s complete, with three more on the way in Ontario and one in Quebec. That’s progress for sure.

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We should have bought the 7 segment Flexities.
 

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We should have bought the 7 segment Flexities.
They werent available as a product choice when Metrolinx procured the Flexity Freedoms. I believe it was only a year or 2 after they were procured that Bombardier started to offer that length.

Which is a damn shame for sure, because frankly yes we would've benefit from longer trains. The amount of space wasted between each vehicle is significant.
 

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They werent available as a product choice when Metrolinx procured the Flexity Freedoms. I believe it was only a year or 2 after they were procured that Bombardier started to offer that length.

Which is a damn shame for sure, because frankly yes we would've benefit from longer trains. The amount of space wasted between each vehicle is significant.
Metrolinx didn't order them they were originally part of the order that the TTC and city made for the crosstown line and they got signed over once Metrolinx took over. Metrolinx made no changes to the overall design of them.
 

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We should have bought the 7 segment Flexities.
They wouldn't fit on any other Transit City Lines at the time. All the lines were designed for a multiple of 30m LRVs. Crosstown and SRT being 3x30m and Finch/Sheppard being 2x30m. The ML panic and we are left with 1x48m Alstom Citadis LRVs being the ultimate train length instead of 2x30m trains. Who knows if the surface stop platform would be 60m length. It wouldn't matter in the near future as the line is stuck with these Citadis for the next 30 years.
 

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