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So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.
 

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So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.
Remind me why this line is called Line 5 again?
 

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Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.
 

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Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.
To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.
 

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To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.
The issue is that it makes future extensions susceptible to major corner cuts that can undermine this goal.

Take Ottawa's LRT for example. It uses low floor LRVs because it was originally going to have on street at grade segments. While it is true that the entire system at the moment is fully grade separated, and the current plans call for all extensions to be fully grade separated, the mode still allows for on street operations which means if they get a new mayor that wants to save a lot of money, the possibility of an extension having on street sections is quite high.
 

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Here are some photos that constitute Part 12 of the series of photos taken at Cedarvale station on September 28, 2021

Northwest Corner Part 2:
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Bags of expandable polystyrene are being lifted from the lower level to the surface

Additional photos are in this thread: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...station-m-s-metrolinx-norr.19747/post-1746587

The final part will be tomorrow and it would also be of the Northwest Corner.
 

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And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based.
I’ve always wondered why the TTC is so resistant to change on this front. Steve amunro has brought this up multiple times.
 

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I’ve always wondered why the TTC is so resistant to change on this front. Steve amunro has brought this up multiple times.
Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.

Dan
 

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Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.
Thanks for the insight; that’s incredibly unfortunate. I support unions, but wish that both sides could be more flexible. At the end of the day our goal should be a well-maintained, effective transit system for the public - and it would be nice if there were ‘give’ in the contracts to help achieve that.
 

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Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.

Dan
So, we should be calling it Union Transit as opposed to Public Transit. As much as I appreciate unions and their need to exist in the free market, this is why they make absolutely no sense in public sector monopolies that are funded by...the public.
 

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So, we should be calling it Union Transit as opposed to Public Transit. As much as I appreciate unions and their need to exist in the free market, this is why they make absolutely no sense in public sector monopolies that are funded by...the public.
Unions are fine ... I've never been a fan of the public unions though, since they demand outrageous salaries and benefits in Ontario. We have a teacher's strikes, transit workers get so many breaks it damages public transit efficiency, postal strikes, and it's not like they're underpaid or in poor working conditions.
 

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