News   May 18, 2022
 431     0 
News   May 18, 2022
 165     0 
News   May 18, 2022
 424     0 

Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s

W. K. Lis

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Dec 24, 2007
Messages
21,998
Reaction score
12,112
Location
Toronto, ON, CAN, Terra, Sol, Milky Way
The Toronto Transportation Department (Roads) would be the ones who would have the final say about intrusions into their fiefdom. Don't dare overrule their law of their lands.
my-tiny-fiefdom-let-me-show-you-it.jpg
From link.
 

Amare

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Feb 4, 2015
Messages
4,414
Reaction score
6,394
Location
Toronto
So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.
 

ARG1

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 28, 2020
Messages
1,865
Reaction score
4,543
Location
North Toronto
So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.
Remind me why this line is called Line 5 again?
 

ARG1

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 28, 2020
Messages
1,865
Reaction score
4,543
Location
North Toronto
Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.
 

MisterF

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 24, 2007
Messages
3,496
Reaction score
2,686
Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.
To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.
 

ARG1

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 28, 2020
Messages
1,865
Reaction score
4,543
Location
North Toronto
To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.
The issue is that it makes future extensions susceptible to major corner cuts that can undermine this goal.

Take Ottawa's LRT for example. It uses low floor LRVs because it was originally going to have on street at grade segments. While it is true that the entire system at the moment is fully grade separated, and the current plans call for all extensions to be fully grade separated, the mode still allows for on street operations which means if they get a new mayor that wants to save a lot of money, the possibility of an extension having on street sections is quite high.
 

Johnny Au

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 4, 2010
Messages
8,080
Reaction score
8,846
Location
Near the North York, York, & Old Toronto tripoint
Here are some photos that constitute Part 12 of the series of photos taken at Cedarvale station on September 28, 2021

Northwest Corner Part 2:
IMG_2033.jpg
IMG_2040.jpg
IMG_2041.jpg


Bags of expandable polystyrene are being lifted from the lower level to the surface

Additional photos are in this thread: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...station-m-s-metrolinx-norr.19747/post-1746587

The final part will be tomorrow and it would also be of the Northwest Corner.
 

allengeorge

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Jun 27, 2019
Messages
1,315
Reaction score
3,109
And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based.
I’ve always wondered why the TTC is so resistant to change on this front. Steve amunro has brought this up multiple times.
 

smallspy

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Nov 27, 2009
Messages
4,826
Reaction score
5,524
I’ve always wondered why the TTC is so resistant to change on this front. Steve amunro has brought this up multiple times.
Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.

Dan
 

allengeorge

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Jun 27, 2019
Messages
1,315
Reaction score
3,109
Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.
Thanks for the insight; that’s incredibly unfortunate. I support unions, but wish that both sides could be more flexible. At the end of the day our goal should be a well-maintained, effective transit system for the public - and it would be nice if there were ‘give’ in the contracts to help achieve that.
 

EnviroTO

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 22, 2007
Messages
4,518
Reaction score
1,536
Location
Yonge & Mt.Pleasant

Top