Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s

[Voltz]

With how padded and bloated TTC scheduling is, not much hope.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Thread on the great Signal Priority Debate ™

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449048385156157449

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449049046719533057

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449049918820265984

The Toronto Transportation Department (Roads) would be the ones who would have the final say about intrusions into their fiefdom. Don't dare overrule their law of their lands.

From link.

 

[Amare]

So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.

 

[ARG1]

So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.

Remind me why this line is called Line 5 again?

 

[ARG1]

Thread on the great Signal Priority Debate ™

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449048385156157449

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449049046719533057

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449049918820265984

Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.

 

[Steve X]

Remind me why this line is called Line 5 again?

The person who read the proposed number forget to look at the full number, Line 534.

 

[MisterF]

Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.

To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.

 

[ARG1]

To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.

The issue is that it makes future extensions susceptible to major corner cuts that can undermine this goal.

Take Ottawa's LRT for example. It uses low floor LRVs because it was originally going to have on street at grade segments. While it is true that the entire system at the moment is fully grade separated, and the current plans call for all extensions to be fully grade separated, the mode still allows for on street operations which means if they get a new mayor that wants to save a lot of money, the possibility of an extension having on street sections is quite high.

 

[Johnny Au]

Here are some photos that constitute Part 12 of the series of photos taken at Cedarvale station on September 28, 2021

Northwest Corner Part 2:

Bags of expandable polystyrene are being lifted from the lower level to the surface

Additional photos are in this thread: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...station-m-s-metrolinx-norr.19747/post-1746587

The final part will be tomorrow and it would also be of the Northwest Corner.

 

[daniel_kryz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449055319166967817

 

[Johnny Au]

Here are the final set of photos that constitute Part 13 (the final part) of the series of photos taken at Cedarvale station on September 28, 2021

Northwest Corner Part 3:

An overview

More bags of King Pearl-brand expandable polystyrene taken from the lower level

 

[allengeorge]

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based.

I’ve always wondered why the TTC is so resistant to change on this front. Steve amunro has brought this up multiple times.

 

[smallspy]

I’ve always wondered why the TTC is so resistant to change on this front. Steve amunro has brought this up multiple times.

Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.

Dan

 

[allengeorge]

Because it hugely complicates things that are required under the current (and past) collective bargaining agreements. Things like where operators start and end service, coffee and/or lunch breaks, etc.

Thanks for the insight; that’s incredibly unfortunate. I support unions, but wish that both sides could be more flexible. At the end of the day our goal should be a well-maintained, effective transit system for the public - and it would be nice if there were ‘give’ in the contracts to help achieve that.

 

[EnviroTO]

Coming to a Crosstown station near you:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1448413278821040131

Seems strange to not have train or bus symbols... but maybe this is the entrance to a parking lot and not the closest place to a curb side drop off? The only service mentioned on the sign is parking.