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Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

There are a number of locations where the LRV has to come to a halt or crawl up to the crossing as the gates are so slow coming down. It was that way before opening day, opening day and last week.
As someone who used the system daily, the areas you're referring to are zones in which the trains have to slow down anyway, whether it be due to curves, or entering a station. If it ever became a real issue, they'd just have to adjust the timing of the gates.
 
Except it's not as easy of a fix as you propose, at least, in the case of the design @MisterF proposed. You'd likely have to shut down numerous intersections for weeks to months at a time to realign them and install barriers. Traffic signals would also have to be replaced. There's also the issue of installing a signaling system that triggers the barriers. You're looking at a few hundred million dollars for every single intersection.

Hence why I wrote "relatively easy", and that's assuming he current configuration isn't fast enough.
 
There are a number of locations where the LRV has to come to a halt or crawl up to the crossing as the gates are so slow coming down. It was that way before opening day, opening day and last week.
The gates they have to crawl up to only have ATP integration and island circuits, but because the ATP is down they have to crawl up to the island circuits to activate them. There's only a couple of those even in the system. The rest all have integrations with the positional tracking.
 
As has been mentioned, all that needs to happen is traffic cannot cross the tracks at Leslie and some sort of pedestrian overpass with elevators needs to be added, then you can have the Line run full ATO all the way to Don Mills which conveniently is where a major bus terminal and future rapid transit connection will be.
It's not so simple to actually do. You can't just ban all vehicle turn movements forever without providing some sort of alternative way to accommodate this.
 
It's not so simple to actually do. You can't just ban all vehicle turn movements forever without providing some sort of alternative way to accommodate this.
We closed leslie for 2 months last year. Just make it permanent. That being said it's not that. Pedestrians and cyclists need to access it somehow.
 
It's not so simple to actually do. You can't just ban all vehicle turn movements forever without providing some sort of alternative way to accommodate this.

ION does this with several intersections. You can still end up on the side street that you have a permanent turn prohibition at by making a U-Turn at the intersections on either side of that turn prohibited intersection. Leslie / Eglinton would be an unusual case for something like this though. But such a turn prohibition here may not be unwarranted given the potential for conflicts with the LRT.
 
We closed leslie for 2 months last year. Just make it permanent. That being said it's not that. Pedestrians and cyclists need to access it somehow.
I really think they should just make them all go to Don Mills and make a U turn but that would cause traffic to shift there on an already busy street. It's a tricky intersection that would need major investment to avoid a conflict. Simply building the tracks on the south side or left turn prohibition would still mean they'll need to invest in a pedestrian bridge and a couple elevators to avoid a pedestrian crossing to the Leslie surface stop. An underground alignment means no station at Leslie so ether way there is no perfect plan.

Several intersections like Victoria Park, Pharmacy and Birchmount would see permanent left turn prohibition. I'm expecting this would see a major uproar already from the community once they figure out it's permanent.
 
Several intersections like Victoria Park, Pharmacy and Birchmount would see permanent left turn prohibition. I'm expecting this would see a major uproar already from the community once they figure out it's permanent.

Yes and no. I live near Birchmount and Eglinton and we were already informed. There are so many little side streets and back entrances in that area the left turns are not an issue. Ashtonbee, Comstock, Lebovic, Hakimi and Thermos all allow for alternate access.
 
I really think they should just make them all go to Don Mills and make a U turn but that would cause traffic to shift there on an already busy street. It's a tricky intersection that would need major investment to avoid a conflict. Simply building the tracks on the south side or left turn prohibition would still mean they'll need to invest in a pedestrian bridge and a couple elevators to avoid a pedestrian crossing to the Leslie surface stop. An underground alignment means no station at Leslie so ether way there is no perfect plan.

Several intersections like Victoria Park, Pharmacy and Birchmount would see permanent left turn prohibition. I'm expecting this would see a major uproar already from the community once they figure out it's permanent.
I think they will add another intersection, right after the LRT dip underground, before Don Mills Road for nearby development so cars u-turn don't need to go all the way to Don Mills.
 
I think they will add another intersection, right after the LRT dip underground, before Don Mills Road for nearby development so cars u-turn don't need to go all the way to Don Mills.
This would only solve half the problem. Instead of an intersection, I suggest they should do a yield merge lane allowing free flowing traffic that doesn't have a direct conflict with westbound traffic. The same would have to be done at the Brentcliffe portal for Leslie to eastbound Eglinton traffic. This solves access to Leslie but still move traffic to Don Mills as the Don Mills portal is only 150m from Don Mills. Why U turn and travel 650m back unless they really intend to go to a place on Leslie.
 
Maybe, the Celestica interchange (located between the railroad bridge and Don Mills) can be rebuild to allow an eastbound Eglinton to westbound Eglinton movement. Then, the eastbound Eglinton to Leslie left turn can be removed from the Leslie intersection.

The southbound Leslie to Eglinton left would remain. Yet, that's one movement interfering with LRT, instead of two such movements.
 
The southbound Leslie to Eglinton left would remain. Yet, that's one movement interfering with LRT, instead of two such movements.
A mid-block U-turn can be placed between Brentcliffe Rd and Leslie Street. The Brentcliffe portal ends at around 350 m east of Brentcliff Rd. The only problem is the steep grade.
 
Maybe, the Celestica interchange (located between the railroad bridge and Don Mills) can be rebuild to allow an eastbound Eglinton to westbound Eglinton movement. Then, the eastbound Eglinton to Leslie left turn can be removed from the Leslie intersection.

The southbound Leslie to Eglinton left would remain. Yet, that's one movement interfering with LRT, instead of two such movements.

Using the underpass could work fairly well, southbound left turns could be moved to a U turn just west of the portal at Brentcliff, removing the need for the intersection at Leslie.

But I do also think there really wont be a need to do anything about this intersection for quite a while, since I assume that the service frequency will be low enough for the intersection to not pose a problem, and capacity could be increased by just using three car trains, no need to run trains more frequently.
 
A mid-block U-turn can be placed between Brentcliffe Rd and Leslie Street. The Brentcliffe portal ends at around 350 m east of Brentcliff Rd. The only problem is the steep grade.
The city and the development are planning to build an extension of Glassworks Drive (sort of like a switchback) to meet Eglinton. You could even see it in some of the renderings.
 
The city and the development are planning to build an extension of Glassworks Drive (sort of like a switchback) to meet Eglinton. You could even see it in some of the renderings.

Yes the completion of Glassworks Drive has been planned all along and has been depicted in renderings and discussed at Crosstown meetings for at least 10-12 years. Glassworks Drive (in its entirety) already shows up on the City of Toronto on-line maps.

And the intersection between the old Celestica interchange (which will become the western end of Wynford Drive) and Don Mills Road has been depicted in the Crosstown condo development renderings.

But none of these intersections will be have to be used for u-turns because there is ZERO CHANCE that the Leslie and Eglinton intersection will be closed to any turns of automobiles. I don't think some people here realize the volume of traffic that goes through there; especially at rush hour but throughout the day. That's one of the reasons that people at the Crosstown meetings pushed to ensure that the TWO eastbound Eglinton to northbound Leslie left turn lanes would remain after the Crosstown LRT was completed.

Also, to clarify a myth about the stop at Leslie (Sunnybrook Park stop): It wasn't Leaside residents who pushed to include this stop. (They would never walk all the way down the hill from Brentcliffe to use such a stop anyway). It was a few residents from the condos on Leslie (north of Toyota on the Park) that pushed to retain the stop. Ironically they would probably not walk half a kilometre down Leslie to use it anyway (especially in winter) when the Leslie 51 bus stops at their door and would take them directly to Laird station where they could could wait for the LRT underground (warm and dry). The media got hold of the story and pushed it like Leaside residents pushed for the Leslie stop but that was totally false and wouldn't make any sense if one thought about it at all.

In fact some Leaside residents argued early on (2010-2012) for a south side alignment of the Crosstown through Leslie. This would have made both drivers and transit users happier. The Crosstown could be totally grade separated and ATC all the way to Don Mills and the Leslie-Eglinton intersection would remain as was for cars. They were told in no uncertain terms that this was impossible engineering-wise. Why? Because it was physically impossible to build a launch shaft and portal on the hill east of Brentcliffe. This is the reason Metrolinx used to push for underground all the way to Don Mills and build the TBM launch shaft at the SW corner of Don Mills and Eglinton. When the YIMBY's from the 3 condos on Leslie got upset about the loss of their stop (it would be too expensive to be built underground for the small ridership), Metrolinx after (arguing for over a year) caved in and went back to to the original EA which they had said couldn't be done.

When Leasiders argued that if the launch shaft and portal could indeed be built east of Brentcliffe (where it has in fact been built), then why not do the south-side alignment, they were told "Too late" It was good idea but now we can't risk opening up the EA- let's just start building and that's how we ended up with the clusterfuck at Leslie we have now.

Phew! (this has all been rehashed many times above in this thread going back 5-10 years for those that are interested in looking it up).


I personally believe that one other reason they refused a south-side alignment at Leslie is that they were holding open the possibility of a Leslie Street extension southward which has been talked about on and off for 50 years.

Anyway, with the present virus crisis I don't imagine the Ontario Line will be built now for at least 20 years so an interchange at Don Mills is not an immediate issue. As for Line 5 Crosstown trains, the headway east of Laird and west of Laird is so different that the service at Leslie will probably be infrequent enough to not be an issue with the intersection. The storage track underneath Eglinton between Laird and Brentcliffe is being built so that every second eastbound train can short turn at Laird. This will ensure that capacity up to and including Leaside is sufficient and will also have every second westbound train at Laird arrive empty.

Metrolinx could have avoided a lot of this mess but they weaseled around with half-truths and outright deceptions and the sham public meetings.

True foresight would have envisioned an Ontario line to Eglinton and they could have planned and allowed for a very efficient Lionel Groulx type interchange at Don Mills and Eglinton. While this would be expensive it would have been doable 5-10 years ago before the area got all built-up. Now it would be insanely expensive if not next to technically impossible, although we know that's never actually the case. ;)

Oh well. We'll see what the future holds.
 

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