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Commerce Court 3 
197 Bay St, Toronto
Developer: QuadReal Property Group

Commerce Court 3 | 298m | 64s | QuadReal | DIALOG

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  1. Automation Gallery

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    WOW:cool:, didn't see this coming

    25 KING ST W
    Ward 28 - Tor & E.York District

    Zoning By-law Amendement to permit the construction of a 64-storey office/retail building with a height of 298.14 m., and a gross floor area of 180,259 sq.m. on the existing Commerce Court site. The proposal includes an addition to the Hotel Victoria building. The existing Commerce Court South and East buildings are proposed to be demolished.
    Proposed Use --- # of Storeys --- # of Units ---
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    Type Number Date Submitted Status
    Rezoning 17 277715 STE 28 OZ Dec 20, 2017 Under Review
    ► Supporting Documentation

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    Very exciting proposal in terms of size and impact, but it feels very shoe-horned onto the site (in a way that compromises the site and CCW and CCN).

    ...and on a more personal/subjective note, they'd be demolishing my favourite part of Commerce Court and a favourite building of mine in the Financial District. :( The buildings they plan to demolish are an excellent example of the classy, demure buildings of the Financial District before the height-and-everything-glass craze took over. They have a very 80s/90s Toronto feel to me, which I would be sad to lose.

    I'm all for more towers and density in the Financial District but this one feels really shoe-horned into the site. I wish Brookfield Place would beat them to the market and build their third tower, on Front Street. That would be much more ideal than another tower at Commerce Court.
     
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    Drawings scale 1147' to top of spire!
     
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    This is basically matching the height of First Canadian Place. I wonder if that was intentional.
     
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    Nice unexpected hit of the year. Reminds me of KPF’s Bank of America in NYC.

    From Renderings 2

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    And Architectural Plans 2

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    Apparently there will be an awkward addition facing Yonge:

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    Wow! If this gets built, the density of the core will be unreal! The way things are going, I could also see the third Brookfield Place tower (the old BA3) making a comeback as well.
     
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    Very impressive. Is there really this much demand for office?
     
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    This is beautiful. Great spot to. Really fits in there
     
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    Hmm? 350 meters, i wonder if that would be considered the legit height
     
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    This is a very exciting proposal! I really like the look of the Pavilion off Wellington St.
     
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    Yay spire!!
     
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    I'm not sure how this will inevitably be modified, but I hope it's close to these initial renderings.
     
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    Definitely the surprise of the year!
     
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    would be nice if revisions had it bumped up a few metres.. Exactly matching the height of FCP is creating a bit of a tabletop skyline. We now have 5 buildings between 297 and 307m in height proposed and built.
     
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    That's not much of a spire—that's a cloaked aerial, and that's it really. If you're looking to have it as a spire, and it's an asymmetrical building, have it come out from the highest corner, not the middle. Meh so far.

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