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First building to follow the Mayor comments about having world design competition, as this one boring ho hum square box.

Even 2 Carlton is another one. We have far too many copycat design and poor looking buildings this past decade.

Seen far too many buildings on my trips outside of Canada this year that look a lot better than ones being built these days.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
ugh it's just... not good.

Really wish they weren't retaining the original structure. Just demolish the thing. The new tower is just plopped in without any integration whatsoever.

This would be a great location for a "The Well" inspired development; open up BTS to pedestrian traffic.
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stjames2queenwest said:
The tower looks a bit like a vertical version of 411 church
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That would be a good thing then.
 
Automation Gallery said:
Ugh? who says they are not serious?
the city has bottled up that whole development with heritage designation to the existing bldgs.
plus they want the new build rearranged from the intersection, plus more and more and more?
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2 Carlton was specifically proposed to bottle up proposed planning changes. You have it backwards.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
ugh it's just... not good.

Really wish they weren't retaining the original structure. Just demolish the thing. The new tower is just plopped in without any integration whatsoever.

This would be a great location for a "The Well" inspired development; open up BTS to pedestrian traffic.
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What a huge waste to tear down a very large, very functional building. It's definitely not a solution for the lazy design integration. That falls on the architect and the owner. Ugh. What hope is there when this forum has increasingly become a proponent of tear it down and facadism?
 
Toronto and East York Community Council consideration on January 8, 2020
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483-491 Bay Street and 20 Albert Street - Zoning Amendment Application - Preliminary Report
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This report provides information and identifies a preliminary set of issues regarding the application located at 483-491 Bay Street and 20 Albert Street for a 60-storey addition on top of an existing 10-storey office tower. Staff are currently reviewing the application. It has been circulated to all appropriate agencies and City divisions for comment. Staff will proceed to schedule a community consultation meeting for the application with the Ward Councillor.​
 
New docs posted December 23:

Development Applications

City Planning COA Application Information Center
app.toronto.ca

Revisions include (from the cover letter):
  • In order to reduce the shadow on Trinity Square, the new residential elevator core has been relocated from outside the north end of the existing Atrium to inside the Atrium, south of the existing office elevators. The new residential elevator core is directly connected to the existing loading dock via a new moving room/service corridor, and the residential elevator core can be accessed directly from the corner of Albert Street and James Street;
  • A new residential convenience lobby has been added to the ground floor, which lobby is accessible via the existing vestibule on the south-east side of the ground floor, at the corner of Albert Street and James Street. The new lobby will contain the mail room for the residential tower and parcel storage;
  • A new office component has been added to the proposal, with the replacement of four residential levels (floors 11-14) with three office levels (floors 11-13) for a total of 5,858 m2 of new office gross floor area (“GFA”);
  • As a result of the new office levels, the total number of storeys has decreased from 70 to 69 storeys; however the total measured height of the building has remained unchanged due to the higher floor to ceiling heights required for office space;
  • The number of units has decreased from 590 units to 538 units. The amount of amenity space and the number of bicycle parking spaces have decreased accordingly, while still complying with the standards set out in Zoning By-law 569-2013;
  • As a result of the decrease in units, the number of residential parking spaces has decreased from 59 to 53 spaces, which parking supply will be more than adequate to meet the parking demand given the Site’s central location and proximity to public transportation; and
  • The total new GFA has very slightly decreased from 45,006 m2 to 44,877 m2 .
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How is the current building's foundation expected to cope with 60 new storeys? This is not the only such "height addition" proposal in the city and I was always curious about the foundation/structural side of such proposals.
 
Undead said:
How is the current building's foundation expected to cope with 60 new storeys? This is not the only such "height addition" proposal in the city and I was always curious about the foundation/structural side of such proposals.
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This kind of addition will require additional foundation work. If they can hook into bedrock it's just a case of adding structural elements either by disturbing the existing building's structure or working around it. If the building's foundation is built on a concrete raft or piles, more difficult.
 
The Preservationist said:
This kind of addition will require additional foundation work. If they can hook into bedrock it's just a case of adding structural elements either by disturbing the existing building's structure or working around it. If the building's foundation is built on a concrete raft or piles, more difficult.
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IIRC, bedrock at Queen & Bay is about 15m deep (as per DRL diagrams). P4 ought to be fairly close to that depth.

Edit: Or I could look at the Geotechnical Report which says Weathered Shale Bedrock is from 12.5m to 15m on nearby properties, and P4 slab is at a depth of 13.42 m. They intend to use 20m long micropiles into bedrock.
 
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